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jnboone
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Grinder: Vario-W
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Posted Thu Jun 14, 2012, 8:16pm
Subject: Vario or Vario W?
 

I'm looking to buy my first (and hopefully last) grinder as I embark into the world of espresso.  While my primary concern is espresso, I would like one that can grind for the Aerobie, drip, and possibly french press as well.  As a newb who wants to do it right and not have to upgrade for a very long time I'm looking at the Vario's.  Any input on which one will make life the simplest?  Will the Vario's meet my grinding wish list?

Thanks!!
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Posted Thu Jun 14, 2012, 9:32pm
Subject: Re: Vario or Vario W?
 

jnboone Said:

I'm looking to buy my first (and hopefully last) grinder as I embark into the world of espresso.  While my primary concern is espresso, I would like one that can grind for the Aerobie, drip, and possibly french press as well.  As a newb who wants to do it right and not have to upgrade for a very long time I'm looking at the Vario's.  Any input on which one will make life the simplest?  Will the Vario's meet my grinding wish list?

Thanks!!

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Jeff, welcome to the CG Forums.
I own both a Vario-W and precise (with Esatto attachment). The Esatto ($129) enables a Preciso to be a grind by weight grinder, as is the VW.
I've also had the regular Vario. Both Vario's do an excellent job of espresso, and the other grinds too.
If you have a scale, and you like the fruitier aspects of an espresso shot, why not go with the Preciso? You can add the Esatto attachment down the road.
I love my VarioW, and it is my go espresso grinder, as I like the flat burr profile with my lever machine.
If you're going with pump style machine (say an HX), the slightly brighter conical burr of the Preciso might be a flavorful combo.

Still, it's hard to beat the Vario (grinds with a timer) or Vario W (grinds by weight.)
Both will give you a good shot at repeatable shots, assuming you don't switch back and forth between coffees for ESPRESSO.
Once you do, you will have to slightly recalibrate...either both grind fineness and grind time (Vario), or grind fineness and weight yield setting (Vario-W.)

Prolly just got you MORE perplexed! :>D
Hope not.

 
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jnboone
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Grinder: Vario-W
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 3:31am
Subject: Re: Vario or Vario W?
 

Thank you so much.  Sounds like you have the experiences I need to evaluate my decision (and I'm looking at a HX - NS Oscar).  It looks like you are certainly a fan of weight based grinding regardless of beverage.  Question:

When I change coffees for drip and espresso what is involved in recalibrating?  I understand I will have to change the grind, but I thought (as a newb possibly) that if I know the coffees, I would simply be changing the grind.  What is involved in recalibrating?  Curious as to process, and amount of time involved.  Also, as I'm trying to avoid getting caught up in 'upgraditis', if you were only going to buy one grinder would you choose?  This is a significant investment for me, and I don't want to regret my decision and have to be stuck with a machine when I wish I had purchased something different in the beginning.  

One last question (which the other information helps with as well).  If my wife has to use either, and she doesn't like having to mess with things she's not familiar with, will she find recalibrating (or simply using) the Precisio or the Vario-W any easier than the other - especially if she's using a different coffee or making a different drink that the machine was used for last time?  I don't think either of us have a palate educated enough (at least at this point) to want to choose different grinds personally.  I think we were looking to say "for espresso with this coffee set the grinder to ____, and for drip with this coffee set the grinder to ___.  Maybe I'm still too ignorant of the whole thing to jump into it.  I know if she views it as a hassle she will be unhappy with the whole idea.  Can it be that simple with either of these grinders - or any others?  She's no techie, so maybe I should look at what she'll find the easiest (including weight based or not) as my deciding factor.  Greatly appreciate the help!!!
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 11:31am
Subject: Re: Vario or Vario W?
 

No grinder is good for switching coffee beans often; you have to dump the beans, shake it out, grind out some leftovers, and then go through the process of determining which setting is good for the new beans.  As a result, for me to do french press I just need to move both levers all the way to the bottom and it's good enough. The conical burr grinders like the Preciso do a better job (consistency-wise) for french press with less fines making it through the filter. But I make due because the grinder with espresso is so nice and the programmable time is convenient. I think it would do great with Aeropress as well.

I think either is easy to adjust, it's just a difference of what manner you adjust in - and always run the grinder when tightening (going finer). The Vario, with the programmed times, is a little easier to use because after grinding in the Preciso for drip, you need to scoop it out to dose it up right; with the Vario or W, you just set to the dose you need for your method of brewing and push the button.

I find that the time-based sensor is adequate for my doses, but I only weigh shots a few times until I get the time right, set the time and then don't weigh again until I change beans. Of course every time you change the setting, the time you need would change too, but I am not opposed to just filling the portafilter, leveling, and tamping. It's okay to me if my dose is off by a few tenths of grams.  I like grinding into the portafilter too. These are all considerations when deciding between the two choices.
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Posted Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:19pm
Subject: Re: Vario or Vario W?
 

Mike, excellent po0st.
I'd like to add to your point about grinding into the bin as regards the Vario-W.
JN, using the Vario and Preciso (without the Esatto attachment), you can grind directly into the PF for espresso. Not so with the Vario W. As the bin rests on a scale mechanism, it measures the grind weight and stops when the set amount is reached.
You then pour out the grin into your basket. Most find a "funnel" like those made by OE (Orphan Espresso) makes this a piece of cake.
Or, you can do what we all do when using a manual grinder...cut down a yogurt cup.
The OE funnels are MUCH more elegant.

Mike reminder to ALWAYS run the grinder when adjusting finer applies to all grinders. (when beans are in the hopper)

 
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012, 5:22am
Subject: Re: Vario or Vario W?
 

If the price difference between the timed and the W is not very significant for you - go with the W. If you want to play with weight as a primary parameter (as most do), the W measures it directly - no need to convert or adjust timing as you change beans. Since I switch beans 1 to 2 times a week, I keep small amounts in the hopper.  If the hopper goes empty before the weight is reached, motor keeps running and you can add beans for the cycle to complete - no issue at all. With the timed Vario, this scenario would either involve waste or a separate scale to achieve what you want. Not that major but just a bit more convenient.
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jnboone
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Posted Sat Jun 16, 2012, 5:26am
Subject: Re: Vario or Vario W?
 

Thank you all so much for the advice!!  I've read and watched a lot of video's on You Tube, and GDK's response seems to bring everything full circle.  I greatly appreciate the help!!
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Posted Mon Jun 18, 2012, 7:21am
Subject: Re: Vario or Vario W?
 

IMAWriter Said:

I own both a Vario-W and precise (with Esatto attachment).

Posted June 14, 2012 link

I had a Preciso too and while waiting for the Esatto to appear in the UK got an offer for it that allowed me to upgrade to the Vario-W and I'm really glad I did. In the light of a couple of month's experience with it I can endorse what you've said and have now completed a review that awaits the appearance of a Vario-W slot in the  consumer reviews section. From the word go I could tell the Vario-W was going to be a huge success for me and requested the Vario-W to be added in anticipation of writing a review. The only info I've seen is that it takes 5-6 weeks for new products to be inserted (now pretty much passed) and may not be inserted at all, but having have no responses of any kind I'm wondering if the request got lost. Apologies if this isn't the right place to ask, but I can't find anywhere more appropriate.
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