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SJPR
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Posted Tue May 29, 2012, 9:39pm
Subject: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

I'm currently waiting for the Rocket R58 and was considering upgrading my Compak K3 Touch as well. I had made my mind on the Mahlkonig Pro M Espresso (size,fluffy grind, 65mm burrs), but I've read people are having problems with locking up. So I'm having second thoughts as I don't want to spend $1200+ on a product that will not be reliable.

My question to all of you is how much of upgrade a Mazzer Mini E would be over my Compak? I've also considered the K30 Vario with a small hopper @ $1600, but I'm prety sure my wife will hate its size.

Any Mini E and Pro M espresso users your thoughts are greatly appreciated!
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Posted Wed May 30, 2012, 6:00am
Subject: Re: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

I'd say the Mazzer Mini E is pretty much on par with the Compak K3-Touch. If an upgrade is on your mind and you're having second thoughts about the Mahlkönig ProM Espresso, you should rather consider a Mazzer Super Jolly E, Major E or Kony E or a Compak K8-Fresh or K10-Fresh. The Mahlkönig K30 Vario is an excellent grinder, but even with the small bean hopper, which IMHO looks kind of odd on it, it's really big. But that is true for almost all commercial grinders.

 
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Posted Wed May 30, 2012, 9:32am
Subject: Re: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

The E version of Mazzer grinders are a little on the spendy side, what is there about the E version that you like? There is nothing wrong with the E versions, they are very nice but they are a bit more expensive. Just wondering.

 
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Posted Wed May 30, 2012, 9:55am
Subject: Re: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

calblacksmith Said:

The E version of Mazzer grinders are a little on the spendy side, what is there about the E version that you like? There is nothing wrong with the E versions, they are very nice but they are a bit more expensive. Just wondering.

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I have a Super Jolly E (they're only $1075 at Prima Coffee). The reason I went for the E rather than the significantly cheaper doser model was because I: hate dosers, love cleanliness and simplicity, and wanted easy, repeatable dosing. I've only had the SJ for about 2 weeks but it's already dosing +/- .4 grams. Not bad at all and a lot easier than weighing every. single. shot.

I upgraded from a Vario, which had fantastic grind quality but needed constant fiddling, couldn't stay on one grind setting throughout a shot (and this was the new, pre-shimmed model, supposedly), heated up the coffee a lot, and was flimsy as hell.

@OP the ProM is a nice looking grinder, but I've heard all sorts of horror stories regarding it's reliability. It also seems as if it's fairly flimsy/lightweight, especially for costing so much.
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Posted Wed May 30, 2012, 10:31am
Subject: Re: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

Thats fine.
I have found after using both doser and doserless, the grinders with a doser are cleaner than doserless. I use an outboard timer with a standard SJ and had very consistent dosing.
Interesting. That is why they make more than one kind of anything!

 
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Posted Wed May 30, 2012, 2:45pm
Subject: Re: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

Those compaks are good grinders. I run a k8 at work and a robur at home.
For me there was more difference in grind quality between a super jolly and the compak than the compak and robur (with the compak in the middle).

The robur is much faster of course, but the mini is slower still.
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Posted Thu May 31, 2012, 5:34am
Subject: Re: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

calblacksmith Said:

... , what is there about the E version that you like? ...

Posted May 30, 2012 link

It's the fact that I prefer doserless grinders. I know that you don't have to use the doser as such, that you can empty it every time you use the grinder, so that there are no grounds left to go stale. But I find that inconvenient. I don't mind the little mess a doserless grinder can make. Using a funnel it's up to nothing that goes astray.

 
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Posted Thu May 31, 2012, 11:22am
Subject: Re: Mahlkonig  or Mazzer??
 

That is why they are made both ways!
With a manual grinder (not hand crank, think SJ) I like the ability to grind for the next shot while pulling a shot that the doser provides while avoiding the need for a funel etc.

My automatic grinder grinds to weight then doses into the waiting PF in about 5 seconds so there is no need for a doser and it is still clean to use without a funel.

Enjoy what you like, there is no right or wrong way here!

 
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Posted Fri Jun 1, 2012, 7:38am
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SJPR Said:

I've also considered the K30 Vario with a small hopper @ $1600, but I'm prety sure my wife will hate its size.

Posted May 29, 2012 link

SJPR: +1 to the K30 Vario.  Being able to grind a double shot worth of beans directly into my portafilter in just 3 seconds is AWESOME!!  

I Just recently picked up a demo model K30 Vario w/short hopper directly from Mahlkonig.  If you were open to getting a demo model, they can be had for much less than $1,600.  Mine actually came with both hoppers for the price I paid - see below.  The one I received was used for only a couple of days at a trade show and had less than 200 shots pulled on it.  I'd prefer not to disclose the price I paid on a public forum, but if you email me I would be happy to provide you with details.


calblacksmith Said:

I have found after using both doser and doserless, the grinders with a doser are cleaner than doserless

Posted May 30, 2012 link

I could definitely understand how a doserless grinder can be messy, especially some vids I've seen of the Mazzer E models which seem to spray grounds all over the place.  However, with the K30 Vario, I use the short OE dosing funnel and have ZERO mess.  Every single grind makes its way into the portafilter in a nice fluffy cone, ready for tamping.



NobbyR Said:

The Mahlkönig K30 Vario is an excellent grinder, but even with the small bean hopper, which IMHO looks kind of odd on it, it's really big. But that is true for almost all commercial grinders.

Posted May 30, 2012 link

I actually don't have the short hopper yet (I'm still using the insanely large standard hopper).  I've been told by Mahlkonig that they have redesigned the short hopper, and it will be clear instead of smoke color, have the bean "trap door" at the bottom, and will resemble the overall shape of the standard hopper, just shorter. The new short hopper is on backorder, but should be arriving in the US within a week or two, at which point they are going to ship one to me at no add'l cost since I originally ordered the grinder with the short hopper.  Believe me, I hope the K30 with the new short hopper will not look as strange as the pics I've seen of the grinder with the old-style short hopper.

With the short hopper, the K30 should fit under standard cabinets, so unlike the Super Jolly E, which will NOT fit under the cabinets even with the short Mazzer hopper, the size issue with the K30 will be its girth rather than its height.  And my wife has no complaints about the girth of my unit :)
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Posted Fri Jun 1, 2012, 7:43am
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"And my wife has no complaints about the girth of my unit :)"

I guess not....

 
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