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truebenny
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Joined: 27 Apr 2012
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Location: PHILADELPHIA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Presso
Grinder: Hario Skerton
Posted Fri Apr 27, 2012, 8:13pm
Subject: which do you prefer ?
 

Hello everyone.
I am currently purchasing my first espresso machine with a grinder combination. I have set my price range and also have several grinders in mind. Please feel free to comment on what is crucial, lets just to say, for the selection of the espresso machine also ?

Total budget: ~$1000

Espresso machine:
Rancilio Silvia
CrossLand CC1

Choice of grinder(?):
Ranclio Rockey Doserless
Nuova Simonelli series; the "Grinta" or maybe the more expensive "MCI"
Ascaso i-Steel I-1
Baratza Preciso


Type of uses:
daily; maybe 1-2 cups

thank you.
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KennyH
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Joined: 17 Dec 2011
Posts: 110
Location: Missouri
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Lelit PL041
Grinder: OE Pharos, Hario Skerton
Vac Pot: Yama 8 Cup
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2012, 5:40pm
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

None of those aside from the Preciso are that great AFAIK, and the Preciso is probably not going to be adequate for your setup.
Go with a Vario if you're into the smaller form factor, otherwise get a used Super Jolly if you're willing to deal with commercial equipment and want something that will last a lifetime.
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truebenny
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Location: PHILADELPHIA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Presso
Grinder: Hario Skerton
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2012, 7:28pm
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

i know of the Vario being more adequate to my selection of grinder. however, it does not fit my budget. and so, what do you mean by AFAIK?
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KennyH
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Posts: 110
Location: Missouri
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Lelit PL041
Grinder: OE Pharos, Hario Skerton
Vac Pot: Yama 8 Cup
Posted Sat Apr 28, 2012, 8:23pm
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

AFAIK- As far as I know. I'm not sure there will be a huge difference in quality between the Preciso and the Vario. It seems to be more of a personal choice than anything. From the list you've posted, I'd go with the Preciso.
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JasonBrandtLewis
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JasonBrandtLewis
Joined: 9 Dec 2005
Posts: 6,372
Location: Berkeley, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Sun Apr 29, 2012, 10:20pm
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

Choice of grinder(?):
Ranclio Rockey Doserless
Nuova Simonelli series; the "Grinta" or maybe the more expensive "MCI"
Ascaso i-Steel I-1

Baratza Preciso

 
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truebenny
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Location: PHILADELPHIA
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Espresso: Presso
Grinder: Hario Skerton
Posted Tue May 1, 2012, 7:54am
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Choice of grinder(?):
Ranclio Rockey Doserless
Nuova Simonelli series; the "Grinta" or maybe the more expensive "MCI"
Ascaso i-Steel I-1

Baratza Preciso

Posted April 29, 2012 link

have you great experience with the Preciso ? if so, what espresso machine would you match with this grinder?
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JasonBrandtLewis
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JasonBrandtLewis
Joined: 9 Dec 2005
Posts: 6,372
Location: Berkeley, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Tue May 1, 2012, 8:15am
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

truebenny Said:

have you great experience with the Preciso?

Posted May 1, 2012 link

I own its "bigger" brother, the Baratza Vario, which I would recommend without hesitation.  The Baratza Preciso comes close, based upon the reports posted here on CG by people I've come to know and trust over the years I've been here, and given the great customer service Baratza provides, I feel quite comfortable in recommending the Preciso.

I have a Nuova Simonelli MCI, and prefer my Baratza Vario.

The Rocky Doserless is too pricey for what you get, and has been surpassed by other grinders in the market.

I'm not a huge fan of the I-1.

truebenny Said:

if so, what espresso machine would you match with this grinder?

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There is no tit-for-tat with espresso machines and grinders -- it is never a matter of this being the best match between machine and grinder, and were you to get that, it would be a disaster.  You need a capable grinder -- that's crucial.  The choice of espresso machine is somewhat less important.

That may sound counter-intuitive, but it's true.

The Four M's of Espresso:
1)  the Macinazione is the grinder, and with it, the correct grinding of the coffee beans;
2) the Miscela is the coffee beans/blend itself;
3) the Macchina is the espresso machine; and
4) the Mano is the skilled hand of the barista.  

All four are important.  Nothing is more important than the grinder.

Cheers,
Jason

 
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sn_85
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Joined: 1 Dec 2011
Posts: 134
Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Quick Mill Andreja Premium
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 2:46am
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

KennyH Said:

None of those aside from the Preciso are that great AFAIK, and the Preciso is probably not going to be adequate for your setup.

Posted April 28, 2012 link

KennyH Said:

AFAIK- As far as I know. I'm not sure there will be a huge difference in quality between the Preciso and the Vario. It seems to be more of a personal choice than anything. From the list you've posted, I'd go with the Preciso.

Posted April 28, 2012 link

Could you clarify?  First you say the Preciso is not going to be adequate then you say there may not be a big difference between the Preciso and Vario.  You finish with recommending the Preciso from the list.  Just a little contradictory imo.  Any reason why you don't seem very high on the preciso?  It's certainly not a tank like a mazzer but as far as grinds go it's more than adequate and would do the job for the OP.
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NobbyR
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NobbyR
Joined: 10 Jul 2011
Posts: 2,039
Location: Germany
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Poccino Opus One, Ariete
Grinder: Eureka Mignon Istantaneo
Vac Pot: N/A
Drip: Melitta Linea Unica de Luxe
Roaster: N/A
Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 3:32am
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

Choice of grinder(?):

Ranclio Rocky Doserless
Nuova Simonelli MCI
Ascaso i-Steel I-1
Baratza Preciso

...because the MCI is a solid stepless grinder, and the Preciso with its 400 possible settings is virtually stepless.

 
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RodUK
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Joined: 24 Feb 2012
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Location: England
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Isomac Tea II ... Espro...
Grinder: Vario-W ... Espro Tamper
Posted Wed May 2, 2012, 9:27am
Subject: Re: which do you prefer ?
 

I've had a Preciso for about 4.5 months and have been very pleased with it. I had an opportunity to upgrade to the Vario-W, which I've taken, but if that opportunity hadn't arisen, I would have been happy to stay with my Preciso and add the Esatto grinder attachment to get the weighed output functionality (an option for you in the future perhaps). Therefore my vote would be to go for the Preciso. Whatever you decide, I hope you enjoy your choice.
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