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calblacksmith
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Posted Thu Sep 29, 2011, 6:58am
Subject: New VS old SJ in pictures.
 

The question of the differences between the current SJ grinder and the previous generation of the SJ grinder has come up in another thread so here are a few pics to quickly show the difference between them. These are my grinders and I have fitted them with the Mini hopper so they won't have the huge cone hopper that most SJs come with. Another major difference that I did not photograph was that the older generation has the power cord come out of the left side of the grinder while the new generation has the power cord come out from under and in the back of the grinder.

My older one has the automatic grind switch and system (deactivated) while the new one has the timer. You can easily see the difference between the two in how they are labeled around the switch.

My older one also has the longer PF forks. At first, I did not like them but now, I like them more than the short forks. They make a very handy handle to steady the grinder while wacking the handle on the doser.

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This shows the size difference between the two generations. The one on the left is the older one and the right is the current one.

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Vac Pot: 40s era Silex
Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu Sep 29, 2011, 7:03am
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This next photo is a little closer on the switches and shows the differences in the bases of the grinders from the side.

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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu Sep 29, 2011, 7:05am
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This last photo shows the grinders from the front. You can see that the base in the older grinder is dish shaped to catch the grounds while the new one is not. This also shows the two forks more clearly, I really do like that longer fork!

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Posted Thu Sep 29, 2011, 10:13am
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Nice pictures, thanks for the comparison!  

I haven't used a grinder with the shorter forks like the new one, but I have to agree, I like the longer forks.  My K10 has forks similar to but possibly not quite as long as the old SJ, and I do like that balance (though it works better with spouted than bottomless PFs at steadying it.)  The Fresh has a Mahlkonig-like 2 level adjustable fork that I like even more since it cradles the PF in the center regardless of bottomless or spouts.  Looking at the small forks on the new SJ, I think they'd drive me crazy!
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Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Thu Sep 29, 2011, 2:08pm
Subject: Re: New VS old SJ in pictures.
 

In the last pic, both of the dosers on the grinders were the same distance from the camera and were side by side, this shows how much more the older style sticks out in front. It was early and I used my cell phone for the pics so the shadows are pretty deep..

As to the different forks. The short ones are very easy to use, really. Just pop the PF in and away you go. The longer ones allow you to hold the handle of the pf and the forks of the grinder at the same time, nice for steadying the handle. SJs have the famous heave to the left on exit from the doser so the shorter forks make it easier to rotate the pf while dosing the coffee without your hand running into the forks, thus giving you a more even dose into the pf.

I use a bottomless pf and place it slightly to the left with either grinder so this isn't a big thing to me either way.

 
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Posted Fri Sep 30, 2011, 9:54am
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calblacksmith Said:

In the last pic, both of the dosers on the grinders were the same distance from the camera and were side by side, this shows how much more the older style sticks out in front. It was early and I used my cell phone for the pics so the shadows are pretty deep..

As to the different forks. The short ones are very easy to use, really. Just pop the PF in and away you go. The longer ones allow you to hold the handle of the pf and the forks of the grinder at the same time, nice for steadying the handle. SJs have the famous heave to the left on exit from the doser so the shorter forks make it easier to rotate the pf while dosing the coffee without your hand running into the forks, thus giving you a more even dose into the pf.

I use a bottomless pf and place it slightly to the left with either grinder so this isn't a big thing to me either way.

Posted September 29, 2011 link

Actually the idea of holding the forks with the PF would be kind of odd.  I usually do as you describe and rotate around a little.  Well, actually that's half true.  I do that on the Fresh, I don't on the doser.  And with the fresh, I'm finding it usually easier to just Stockfleith instead of rotate, though I get less donut with the doser on the K10.  I don't know if the SJ works this way, but with the K10 doser you can distribute nicely by flicking harder if you want it to throw left a little or slower if you want it to plop on the right, and "normal" if you want it to center...so it makes rotation needless.  The Fresh delivers smack into the center of the basket. I used to think that was a good thing until using the VST baskets....they don't like center distribution :P
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