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NobbyR
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Espresso: Poccino Opus One, Ariete
Grinder: Eureka Mignon Istantaneo
Vac Pot: N/A
Drip: Melitta Linea Unica de Luxe
Roaster: N/A
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 12:17am
Subject: New grinder needed
 

I need to buy a new grinder in the near future, since my current one is only on loan. There are three models on my shortlist: Rancilio Rocky SD, Eureka Mignon Istantaneo (version with timer and manual), and Mahlkönig Vario Home (which is identical in build to the Baratza Vario).

The grinder is going to work with a Poccino Opus One (identical in construction with the Isomac Millenium exept for a bigger boiler and water tank).

Any advise?

 
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Location: Michigan
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Espresso: Allex Duetto II
Grinder: Mazzer Major
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 7:13am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

There are hours of reading on this topic, hundreds of hours of contemplation, and thousands of opinions at your finger tips with a search of the forum or google it. Having been afflicted with this topic recently myself let me sum it up for you but by all means wrestle with this yourself but this is were i think you wind up.

1.) All grinders are a compromise in one way or another, freshness, mess, ease of use, expense and it goes on and on and on.
2.) Taste is subjective and your taste is all that matters
3.) ROI is subjective and your money is all that matters

In the end for me the Baratza Vario is pretty darn tough to beat when you consider all things. Personally the next hop would be a Robur, K-10 or the like. I recently purchased a  Orphan Espresso Pharos which is a manual large conical. It much less costly than a Robur but it a slow, messy and has a rather steep and sometimes painful learning curve when it comes to dialing it in.

 
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NobbyR
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Location: Germany
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Poccino Opus One, Ariete
Grinder: Eureka Mignon Istantaneo
Vac Pot: N/A
Drip: Melitta Linea Unica de Luxe
Roaster: N/A
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 7:46am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

I definately want a doserless grinder. So the Mazzer Robur and the Compak K-10, while certainly being great macinacaffès, rule out. Apart from busting my budget, too, that is. ;-(

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Joined: 9 Dec 2005
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Location: Berkeley, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 7:51am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

Well, I'm most familiar with the Mahlkönig Vario Home (aka "Baratza Vario" in North America) and the Rocky.  Eureka grinders are not sold in the US, as far as I know, under the "Eureka" brand name, but rather they make grinders for other manufacturers (Nuova Simonelli) -- the only Eureka I've had personal experience with is the Nuova Simonelli MCF.

I'd skip the Rancilio Rocky in favor of the Mahlkönig Vario Home every time.  I use this (Baratza Vario) at home for SO espresso, decaf espresso, and every other form of coffee preparation (pourover, press, siphon).  My main grinder for daily use is a Mahlkönig K30 Vario, so perhaps I can be accused of a "Mahlkönig bias," but I do find these grinders to be excellent, easy to use, and I have had ZERO problems with them.

Cheers,
Jason

 
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jwoodyu
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Espresso: Allex Duetto II
Grinder: Mazzer Major
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 7:57am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

NobbyR Said:

I definately want a doserless grinder. So the Mazzer Robur and the Compak K-10, while certainly being great macinacaffès, rule out. Apart from busting my budget, too, that is. ;-(

Posted August 16, 2011 link

K10-Fresh is the new dosserless version, its salty which explains my Pharos ;o)

 
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NobbyR
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Espresso: Poccino Opus One, Ariete
Grinder: Eureka Mignon Istantaneo
Vac Pot: N/A
Drip: Melitta Linea Unica de Luxe
Roaster: N/A
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 8:02am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Well, I'm most familiar with the Mahlkönig Vario Home (aka "Baratza Vario" in North America) and the Rocky.  Eureka grinders are not sold in the US, as far as I know, under the "Eureka" brand name, but rather they make grinders for other manufacturers (Nuova Simonelli) -- the only Eureka I've had personal experience with is the Nuova Simonelli MCF.

I'd skip the Rancilio Rocky in favor of the Mahlkönig Vario Home every time.  I use this (Baratza Vario) at home for SO espresso, decaf espresso, and every other form of coffee preparation (pourover, press, siphon).  My main grinder for daily use is a Mahlkönig K30 Vario, so perhaps I can be accused of a "Mahlkönig bias," but I do find these grinders to be excellent, easy to use, and I have had ZERO problems with them...

Posted August 16, 2011 link

Thanks for the input. Given enough kitchen space and an unlimited budget I'd go for a Mahlkönig K30 Vario. Unfortunately I lack both (the budget being limited by matrimonial decree, LOL). I think the Eureka I have in mind and the Nuova Simonelli MCI are indeed identical in construction. What intrigues me about the Eureka is that it's stepless.

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 9:35am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

The Baratza Vario/Mahlkönig Vario Home is so "micro-stepped" as to be virtually stepless -- I have never found myself in between steps, looking for a way to tweak it . . . there are a total of 230 steps!

 
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jwoodyu
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Location: Michigan
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Espresso: Allex Duetto II
Grinder: Mazzer Major
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 11:43am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

NobbyR Said:

Thanks for the input. Given enough kitchen space and an unlimited budget I'd go for a Mahlkönig K30 Vario.

Posted August 16, 2011 link

it's just opinion and your welcome to yours for sure but I don't see the K30 Vario being three times the grinder and price the Baratza Vario is.  When you get into that kind of money you can start thinking large conicals.

 
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EricBNC
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Joined: 22 Jun 2010
Posts: 1,866
Location: North Carolina
Expertise: Just starting

Espresso: QM Silvano, LP Stradivarius,...
Grinder: K30, Major, Preciso, Pharos,...
Vac Pot: Sunbeam C30, Bodum Santos...
Drip: Bonavita BV-1800,...
Roaster: Behmor, Melitta, Fresh...
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 1:05pm
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

jwoodyu Said:

it's just opinion and your welcome to yours for sure but I don't see the K30 Vario being three times the grinder and price the Baratza Vario is.  When you get into that kind of money you can start thinking large conicals.

Posted August 16, 2011 link

Correct - if the brighter taste most report with larger conical grinders is what you are looking for - 64mm & up flats are reported to deliver more sweet chocolate notes.  Guess the well stocked counter should have one of each...

 
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JasonBrandtLewis
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Joined: 9 Dec 2005
Posts: 6,378
Location: Berkeley, CA
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: Elektra T1 - La Valentina -...
Grinder: Mahlkönig K30 Vario -...
Vac Pot: Yama 5-cup
Drip: CCD, Chemex
Roaster: No, no, not another...
Posted Fri Aug 19, 2011, 10:03am
Subject: Re: New grinder needed
 

jwoodyu Said:

. . .  but I don't see the K30 Vario being three times the grinder and price the Baratza Vario is.

Posted August 16, 2011 link

To be fair, while I do think there is a difference between the Baratza Vario (aka Mahlkönig Vario HOME) and the Mahlkönig K30 Vario -- with the K30 being the better of the two (one would hope!) -- the grind quality is close enough that I readily admit the Baratza offers more for the money.  It's long been described as a grinder that plays above its weight class, and it continues to do so.  The K30 Vario should certainly last longer, and the build quality is better, but the Baratza is definitely a bargain at the price.  

jwoodyu Said:

When you get into that kind of money you can start thinking large conicals.

Posted August 16, 2011 link

True, but . . .

EricBNC Said:

. . . if the brighter taste most report with larger conical grinders is what you are looking for - 64mm & up flats are reported to deliver more sweet chocolate notes.

Posted August 16, 2011 link

As with all things, it's a matter of preference.  Me?  I tend to prefer the chocolatey notes to the bright ones, so -- while I used to think about getting a conical -- I stopped seeing any reason to, once I understood the true behind Eric's comment.  Besides . . . I love my K30!  ;^)

Cheers,
Jason

 
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