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Posted Sat Jan 2, 2010, 2:45pm
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espressoaddict Said:

Can new owners using the units shipped post November 2009, comment if you are content with the maximum particle size for French Press?

Posted January 2, 2010 link

Of course!!!
Wow, all the way to the bottom?
Where are you again for espresso? Just curious.

The first edition of Vario's had only the 2.5mm adjustment allen screw located under the grommet.
Still, and owner of that generation Vario should be able to get every bit as good a grind as the current model.
I know this, as I've had both in my kitchen.
The addition of the new 2mm screw just makes any adjustment a little bit easier to dial in.
I believe Baratza has set the adjustment screw/slider under the grommet just barely to the fine side, and the 2mm set screw helps to adjust from there.

If 'm wrong regarding this KYLE, please correct me!

 
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Posted Sat Jan 2, 2010, 3:57pm
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IMAWriter Said:

Of course!!!
Wow, all the way to the bottom?
Where are you again for espresso? Just curious.

Posted January 2, 2010 link

Yes, all the way down.  Honestly, I was expecting a larger particle size that I'm used to when comparing on my older Rocky grinder.

For Espresso, it will vary depending on the age of the bean and blend I'm using, but for example for a few blends including a decaf blend here are three general ranges I've used.

Espresso Blend 1
Macro Setting: ESP - Max position
Micro Setting: Typically in the mid-point and move + and - to fine-tune

Espresso Blend 1
Macro Setting: ESP - 1 click down
Micro Setting: Typically in the mid-point and move + and - to fine-tune

Decaf Espresso Blend 1 (If heard decaf requires a finer setting than caffeinated beans)
Macro Setting: ESP - Max position
Micro Setting: 2 clicks up from the bottom most setting


FYI - The VARIO has completely eliminated the WDT technique from my daily preparation.  I now just time my dose with slightly enough grinds to fill the entire surface with coffee.  There is about ~.2 grams of excess that is wasted.  Clumping seems practically non-existent and the grinds appear fluffy with no static. In fact, I can just easily wiggle the portafilter side to side.  The grounds are so lose they just perfectly level in the basket.  I just my WDT chopstick to level and wipe the excess grounds, then tamp.  The Vario just makes the preparation seemingly easier and eliminates additional steps like make the WDT obsolete.
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 6:12am
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Excuse me if this has been asked before, but my lcd does go off sometimes. It doesn't stop counting, the LCD just goes blank.  Also, is it just the ticks inside the "boxes" that the sliders can move within or should the borders of the "box" also count as ticks because mine don't stay up there and slide down very quicly mid-grind.  I don't know why, but I was assuming they counted as ticks.

Should I be returning this Vario to the merchant? Also, how can I tell if this is the updated version of the Vario with the new internals? I bought this December 13th under that pretense for 20 dollars more.

Thank you!!!
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 7:22am
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Spitz Said:

Excuse me if this has been asked before, but my lcd does go off sometimes. It doesn't stop counting, the LCD just goes blank.  Also, is it just the ticks inside the "boxes" that the sliders can move within or should the borders of the "box" also count as ticks because mine don't stay up there and slide down very quicly mid-grind.  I don't know why, but I was assuming they counted as ticks.

Should I be returning this Vario to the merchant? Also, how can I tell if this is the updated version of the Vario with the new internals? I bought this December 13th under that pretense for 20 dollars more.

Thank you!!!

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First off, I think "pretense" indicates someone deliberately trying to hoodwink you..LOL
I think "under the assumption" might be a wee bit better.
With that out of the way, If you paid the extra $20, that indicates you have the latest display installed.

I'd contact the vendor, and explain the problem(s).
In fact, to ALL reading this, ALWAYS contact your vendor first, even before posting here, as there's nothing anyone (save Kyle) can do here.
If your vendor is unresponsive (which I would seriously doubt), contact Baratza directly. They have awesome CS.

To answer your question regarding the levers, they are designed to fit within the individual grooves, and remain there during the grinding process.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 9:41am
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IMAWriter Said:

First off, I think "pretense" indicates someone deliberately trying to hoodwink you..LOL
I think "under the assumption" might be a wee bit better.
With that out of the way, If you paid the extra $20, that indicates you have the latest display installed.

I'd contact the vendor, and explain the problem(s).
In fact, to ALL reading this, ALWAYS contact your vendor first, even before posting here, as there's nothing anyone (save Kyle) can do here.
If your vendor is unresponsive (which I would seriously doubt), contact Baratza directly. They have awesome CS.

To answer your question regarding the levers, they are designed to fit within the individual grooves, and remain there during the grinding process.

Posted January 4, 2010 link

Ok lol thanks for the clarification. Also, I will speak with them about the LCD. However, I'm asking if they should align with the box ends.  You know how they border the ticks for the slider?  Should you be able to keep the slider on the box? So, RIGHT below where it says ESPRESSO, not the TICK, but the border line.
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 5:59pm
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This is somewhat off a tangent to the "discussion" on this thread, but I wanted to suggest one way of dealing with the messiness of the Vario.  

I have a 57mm portafilter.  I tried ordering a 58mm collar from Orphan Espresso but it didn't fit and after a few minutes of futile effort trying to grind the collar down I tried a new technique - and it is actually something I read on the Orphan Espresso website.  

Basically you split the grind time into equal parts.  For example I use 11s timer to grind my full dose.  Now I grind twice in 5.5s intervals.  After the first 5.5s I shake the portafilter to allow the grinds to settle down, then do the next 5.5s.  Also, I took out the portafilter holder  (since my portafilter never fit on it anyway).  This allows me to hold the portafilter further down from the grind chute so I can watch the grinds as they come out of the chute and move the portafilter around so that the poratfilter fills up evenly rather than one big mound in the middle of the portafilter.
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 7:39pm
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boredatwork Said:

This is somewhat off a tangent to the "discussion" on this thread, but I wanted to suggest one way of dealing with the messiness of the Vario.

Posted January 4, 2010 link

I don't find it messy at all.  Indeed, it's actually neater than my Mahlkönig K30 Vario . . .

 
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 8:57pm
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I am a little confused with all the changes being made to the Vario.

Can someone please square me away with the timeline?

it sounds like the unites being sold now have the new board with memory - is this true?

Also - is it true that a few other improvements to the machine will be released, especially to the spout?

What about price - is thing going to change with the updates as well?


I am in the process of buying and am curious what I should do in regards to all these changes.


Thanks in advance for the help,

~Jackson

 
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 9:25pm
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Any machines built prior to around December can purchase the new lcd electronics with memory save. It's $20 and is self install, or your dealer can do it.
I believe all the new machines have it already installed. The prices may be $20 more to defray the cost, which, I believe is more than Baratza is charging.

 
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Posted Mon Jan 4, 2010, 10:52pm
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jammin Said:

I am a little confused with all the changes being made to the Vario.

Can someone please square me away with the timeline?

Posted January 4, 2010 link

The following is a copy past quote from Kyra (Baratza), in this thread at HB.

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"There has been a lot of talk in the forums about upcoming Vario upgrades. I hope this post clears up any confusion.

In December 2008, Mahlkönig introduced the Vario Home (230V). Due to specific European electrical standards, they chose to stop sales of the Vario until changes were made to the motor and internal circuit board. In October 2009, Mahlkönig re-introduced the Vario Home with the following upgrades:
  1. Redesign of the grounds chute to reduce spraying.
  2. Better support system for the Portaholder.
  3. Improvements to the micro adjustment lever
  4. Memory, so that the programmable setting would not be lost when the grinder is unplugged.
  5. Sleep mode feature.

In February 2009, Baratza introduced the Vario to the US and Canada markets. Improvements have been made to the Baratza Vario throughout 2009. The Baratza Vario (since serial No 270) includes upgrades 1, 2, and 3. Baratza will be introducing the memory and sleep feature in March 2010. At that time the price for the Baratza Vario will increase by $20.

The Memory and Sleep upgrade is fully contained in the front display panel. Baratza and Baratza resellers will be making the new display panel available to all Vario owners for $20. It is simple to change the display panel. It takes about 3 minutes and requires a Phillips screwdriver. The new boards will be available December 21.
In other words, after the new display board is installed, all US Vario's (after serial # 270) will have all the upgrades announced by Mahlkönig."
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