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FredK
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Location: NJ
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Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Kyocera hand grinder
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Posted Tue Jul 21, 2009, 10:00am
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lumps Said:

...I guess it's finding the tightest adjustment point that leaves room for interpretation.  I always am able to turn it just a bit tighter, and then a bit tighter again....I guess I should listen to kenntak's advice...

Posted July 21, 2009 link

Yes, that's what was happening. You always need to get to full tight as a starting reference point. Which is why I wanted to put the marks on the adjuster, no need to turn to full tight anymore.
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Location: west valley salt lake UT
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Espresso: modified Delonghi...
Grinder: cuisinart conical burr/ hon...
Vac Pot: Yama 2 cup
Drip: Tiamo stainless dripper
Roaster: variac controlled poppery 1
Posted Wed Jul 22, 2009, 8:11pm
Subject: Re: Hand Grinder
 

yea, i got a kyocera. its the best grind i have ever seen for that money. grinds like a $1000 grinder! so glad i got it. of corse its a bit more effort involved than a motorized grinder, but for me thats part of the fun. the effort is worth it. respect the bean, grind slow.
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Posted Wed Jul 22, 2009, 8:52pm
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benshot Said:

yea, i got a kyocera. its the best grind i have ever seen for that money. grinds like a $1000 grinder!

Posted July 22, 2009 link

Really? I haven't tried the kyocera but I have a vintage Pede and Zass and they don't come close to my Mazzer.

I wish it were true, but I tend to think this is just wishful exaggeration.

Can anyone who owns both a $1000 grinder (like a Mazzer Major or Cimabli Max Hybrid) and a <$100 hand grinder really say their hand grinder make does a better job?
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Espresso: Bezzera Strega
Grinder: Forte, OE Pharos,...
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Posted Wed Jul 22, 2009, 9:41pm
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Kenntak Said:

Well, Orphan does have a couple of new hand grinders in stock that will do espresso.  I have one of them, the Kyocera.

Posted July 13, 2009 link

I had an opportunity to mess with Orphan's other manual Japanese grinder, the Porlex.
nicely made, 190 turns for 14 grams of espresso.
Easy to clean, nice stainless, ceramic burr set.
Also does a nice Press pot.
I can recommend this grinder as an excellent travel grinder. I prefer a wood grinder such as my KyM, PeDe, etc. Mine does 14 grams in 60 turns. Having both types would be cool.
Be patient, Doug and Barb always have several wood grinders up every few weeks.

 
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SlowRain
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Espresso: La Pavoni PRH
Grinder: Sözen Turkish & Porlex...
Vac Pot: *$-Bodum French press
Drip: AeroPress
Posted Thu Jul 23, 2009, 12:19am
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Good to hear about the Porlex.  I have one waiting in Japan for my friend to pick up next month (if all goes according to plan).

How much dust do you get at a press-pot setting?  How evenly does it grind?
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JesseCass
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Posted Sat Jul 25, 2009, 2:24pm
Subject: Re: Hand Grinder
 

Endo Said:

Really? I haven't tried the kyocera but I have a vintage Pede and Zass and they don't come close to my Mazzer.

I wish it were true, but I tend to think this is just wishful exaggeration.

Can anyone who owns both a $1000 grinder (like a Mazzer Major or Cimabli Max Hybrid) and a <$100 hand grinder really say their hand grinder make does a better job?

Posted July 22, 2009 link

I have a Nuova Simonelli MDX and an unbranded espresso capable hand grinder (Made in West Germany.) I would say the Mdx does a better job but only slightly so.

If the shots I've pulled using a Robur-E at a local coffee shop were my personal 10 then the MDX is a 8 and the hand grinder is a 7.5
I also have a heavily modified Krups XKV that I would say rates at about a 2-3
Mind you I am not quite up to the "Wicked Skillz" level of home baristaing quite yet.
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Joined: 10 Aug 2009
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Location: Singapore
Expertise: Just starting

Grinder: Kyocera
Drip: Bodum Solo Drip
Posted Mon Aug 10, 2009, 3:15am
Subject: Re: Hand Grinder
 

Hi Guys,

I am a newbie to coffee.
After going through this forum, I bought the kyocera and bodum solo drip.
Anyone using kyocera with drip? Can advise know how tight should I set the grind?
Currently I release it 1 full turn from the tightest.

Thanks :)
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The_Shadow
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Location: North Carolina
Expertise: Pro Barista

Espresso: NS Aurelia 2 group, 1977...
Grinder: NS MDX, NS Grinta, KyM...
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Drip: BUNN VPR/LPG Combo
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Posted Mon Aug 10, 2009, 5:14am
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I can vouch for the grinding capability of the hand grinder I have. Bought a nice KyM copper Turkish style mill from Orphan Espresso and it flat out rocks. The fineness and consistency is on par with the Nuova Simonelli MDX at work and the shots pulled from my Cremina/KyM combo were better than the best shots I could get from the MDX/Linea combo at work using the same beans.

I was going to buy a Kyocera from OE as well until I saw the KyM Turkish in that exquisite/rare copper housing. I asked Doug and Barb for their opinions of both grinders and they gave me an honest description of both. They said the KyM is a superior grinder, one of the best hand grinders they've seen and will pretty much last a lifetime due to the construction/quality, but is a bit harder to strip down for cleaning. They went on to say the Kyocera holds its own as well and is easier to clean, but doesn't have the build quality of the KyM.

I, like so many others, highly recommend buying from Orphan if you can. With them what you see/read is exactly what you get. Later!
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okawari
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Location: Japan
Expertise: Just starting

Posted Mon Aug 10, 2009, 7:19pm
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SlowRain Said:

Good to hear about the Porlex.  I have one waiting in Japan for my friend to pick up next month (if all goes according to plan).

How much dust do you get at a press-pot setting?  How evenly does it grind?

Posted July 23, 2009 link

The answer is not at all evenly. This is the same grinder I have, and I have few complaints. However, like other hand burr grinders, I do not believe it would be ideal for press pots; at coarser grinds the grain consistency is very uneven. For pour-over, espresso, or Turkish coffee, no problem.
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DanTar
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Joined: 20 May 2013
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Location: Texas
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Espresso: Buon Caffe 330
Grinder: Cuisinart
Drip: KitchenAid & Cuisinart
Roaster: Popcorn pumper
Posted Sun Jul 7, 2013, 8:57pm
Subject: Re: Hand Grinder
 

I know this thread has been dormant for awhile, but has anyone used the Hario MM-2?  Can't seemto find any reviews or videos of people using it. Want to know if it is suitable for espresso like the other Harios & Kyocera, etc…
Thanks.
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