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yakster
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Joined: 25 Feb 2009
Posts: 171
Location: San Jose, CA
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: De Longhi
Grinder: Kyocera / Cuisinart
Vac Pot: Yama 8 / Cory Rod
Drip: CCD / Aeropress
Roaster: Behmor

Posted Mon Jun 29, 2009, 2:20pm
Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

yakster Said:

This afternoon, I put in one scoop to make a cup at work and set the grinder three quarters of a turn loose from full tight. The grind was fine and the coffee tasted a bit overextracted. I counted about 80 turns of the crank to grind the one scoop at this setting. I think I'll be trying one full turn from full tight next time, but I have to roast more beans soon as I only have a few cups left.

Posted June 26, 2009 link

I roasted up 13 oz of Guatemala Oriente Dry Process last night, but the roast went a lot further then I planed, into French instead of Full City. First and Second crack ran together on me on this one, and I'm not sure what impact the low voltage due to the rest of the neighborhood running their air conditioners to beat the head had on this (113 V into the Behmor), but I don't think it was beneficial. So, now I've got more beans to try in the grinder, but the origin flavors are lost in the roast and the bass notes and roast flavors are dominating. Saturday, I was forced to drink a tall drip from Starbucks (and was happy to note how horrible it tasted to me. sour, bitter, overroasted even more then my latest batch) while visiting the home improvement store and Sunday I had no coffee at all (and felt pretty crappy from the heat, the physical exertion from the day before, and the lack of coffee).

This morning, I loaded up the little hopper in the Kyocera with beans to take to work. After getting out of my afternoon meeting, I ground up the beans and brewed up a cup (double strength, by my figure, but it's a tall cup) in the Aeropress. For a full hopper in the Kyocera with the burrs dialed back from full tight one revolution (my current standard for AP coffee) I noted that the burrs were turning freely after 165 full turns of the crank. Pretty close to double the number of turns that I counted from last Thursday for about double the beans. Even though I spent last night (when it cooled a bit) driving 12" spikes into landscaping timber with a sledgehammer, the grinding was not difficult.

For cleaning the burrs, I cut the end off a new toothbrush and slipped it into the box with the handle.

-Chris

jerseysteve
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Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 58
Location: OH
Expertise: I live coffee

Posted Mon Jun 29, 2009, 5:42pm Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

The grinder holds exactly 4 tbs - also I learnd from the youtube video to use my my hand as a funnel when I scoop in the beans as not to lose any.

SlowRain
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Joined: 31 Jul 2008
Posts: 174
Location: a Canadian expat in Taiwan
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: La Pavoni PRH
Grinder: Sözen Turkish & Porlex...
Vac Pot: *$-Bodum French press
Drip: AeroPress

Posted Thu Jul 2, 2009, 7:15am Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

Has anyone seen the new Japanese ceramic-bladed grinder on Orphan Espresso's website? Not the Kyocera, the Porlex. That's the one I have waiting for my friend to pick up for me in Japan in August. I tried long and hard to find a Japanese vendor who would ship overseas, either the Kyocera or the Porlex; but, to no avail. I found out a friend of mine was going there in August, so I had him contact a friend there. It would be interesting to see the two compared side-by-side. I opted for the Porlex because it is stainless steel and I think the Kyocera is overpriced considering part of it is plastic. I think Kyocera is trading on its name more than the product's cost. Anyway, I just thought people might like to know.

yakster
Senior Member

Posted Thu Jul 2, 2009, 12:51pm Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

Hmm, that one is new. A close look at the pictures on the site tell me that the ceramic burr mechanism is virtually identical, if not made by the same company. The handle looks like it's been slightly, but only slightly re-designed, but the body is metal on the Porlex. I expect from a grinding perspective, baring any issues with static due to the plastic on the Kyocera, the performance should be identical. Let us know how you like it and if you see any improvements or issues with having a metal case (I don't worry about rinsing the Kyocera under the tap, but since the Porlex is made in Japan, I wouldn't imagine that you'd have quality issues with the metal rusting like you might from other origins). Strange that the site says that the Porlex seems to grind slightly slower then the Kyocera, since the burrs look the same. I haven't had a chance to do more playing with my Kyocera, but may attempt some espresso with it this weekend. Sadly, with my equipment and lack of espresso experience, I probably won't have the kind of results that would be of interest to others. -Chris

KnowGood
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Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 67
Location: Kitchener
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: La Pavoni Europiccola...
Grinder: Kyocera CM-45 CF hand...

Posted Thu Jul 2, 2009, 5:24pm
Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

SlowRain Said:

Has anyone seen the new Japanese ceramic-bladed grinder on Orphan Espresso's website? Not the Kyocera, the Porlex.

Posted July 2, 2009 link

That sucks! I just ordered the Kyocera less than a week ago, and the Porlex wasn't on their site. I would have went with the Porlex. :(

SlowRain
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Posted Thu Jul 2, 2009, 6:42pm Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

Actually, if you look at Porlex's website--and if you can also read Japanese--you'll see that some parts are made in China. I asked someone what parts were made in China and he said it was the stainless steel parts. That was a slight cause for concern on my part, but I decided to buy it anyway. I'll let you know how I like it, but that won't be until August. I think other people will be buying it between now and then. ***EDIT: There's actually a review of it already up on Home-Barista.com...from last year no less. It even includes links to the grinder on Porlex's website. Click Here (www.home-barista.com)

jerseysteve
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Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Posts: 58
Location: OH
Expertise: I live coffee

Posted Sun Jul 5, 2009, 5:05am
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KnowGood Said:

That sucks! I just ordered the Kyocera less than a week ago, and the Porlex wasn't on their site. I would have went with the Porlex. :(

Posted July 2, 2009 link

I am not convinced which one is better - I would email orphan and ash what they think.

KnowGood
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Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 67
Location: Kitchener
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: La Pavoni Europiccola...
Grinder: Kyocera CM-45 CF hand...

Posted Sun Jul 5, 2009, 8:33am
Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

jerseysteve Said:

I am not convinced which one is better - I would email orphan and ash what they think.

Posted July 5, 2009 link

I'm thinking I may buy the Porlex as well, decide for myself, and sell which ever one I'm not feeling. Truth be told, the Porlex only appealed to me because cosmetically it would have flowed better with my LaPav.

FredK
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Joined: 28 Jun 2009
Posts: 135
Location: NJ
Expertise: I love coffee

Espresso: Gaggia Classic
Grinder: Kyocera hand grinder
Roaster: FreshRoast+8

Posted Sun Jul 12, 2009, 5:20pm Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

Anyone have an update on how they like their Kyocera or Porlex? I'm thinking of one of these hand grinders for espresso. In an email to orphan, they said the Kyocera is better for espresso than the Porlex, although they gave no explanation. I too wonder about static and plastic vs stainless.

KnowGood
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Joined: 14 Apr 2009
Posts: 67
Location: Kitchener
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: La Pavoni Europiccola...
Grinder: Kyocera CM-45 CF hand...

Posted Sun Jul 12, 2009, 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Kyocera hand grinder - aeropress

FredK Said:

Anyone have an update on how they like their Kyocera or Porlex? I'm thinking of one of these hand grinders for espresso. In an email to orphan, they said the Kyocera is better for espresso than the Porlex, although they gave no explanation. I too wonder about static and plastic vs stainless.

Posted July 12, 2009 link

I've had my Kyocera for about a week now, and it is very consistent. I'm using it with a LaPav Europiccola and have choked it a few times as I'm still actually learning the machine, but I've come to a conclusion that I'm sure will remedy this. My technic was totally wrong for a lever machine.

The one cool thing with the Kyocera is that the catch cup for it fits the filter for the EP perfectly allowing me to just put the filter on top and flip, shake, and tamp. As for static... it's there just not very extreme.

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