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boar_d_laze
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Posted Sun Apr 20, 2014, 8:23am
Subject: When Bad Shots Go Good
 

Today, after grinding a sacrificial purging dose, brushing out the chute, dosing and prepping as usual, etc., I locked in the ol' naked pf and pulled my first shot o' the morning.  And yes, I was awake enough to know what I was doing.  

It ran like a deer from the first moments of what should have been a 4sec pre-infusion all the way through the entire 11.2sec it took for a double's worth of volume; starting dirty blond and ending elven transparent.  Obviously, an epic channel, and who's fault is that?  

Okay, so nobody's perfect.  It happens.  Mea culpa.  Mea maxima culpa.  I promise to be good from now on, Mommy.  But, the damn thing tasted great.  WTF?

There's no justice,
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Posted Sun Apr 20, 2014, 8:44am
Subject: Re: When Bad Shots Go Good
 

So now you're saying the E92 can make even the worst shots taste good? JK :P Funny how quirky coffee can be sometimes. Just out of curiosity what bean/s were you using?
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Posted Sun Apr 20, 2014, 10:07am
Subject: Re: When Bad Shots Go Good
 

CoffeeRon Said:

Just out of curiosity what bean/s were you using?

Posted April 20, 2014 link

Los Lajones Caturra BN 9 (from Bodhi), roasted C++.

The WTF shot was overextracted, had light body and a lingering almond aftertaste -- but pleasant.  

Pulled properly, the coffee has average body.  It's juicy, not too sweet, slightly acid with strawberry and raspberry notes.  The finish shows some cocoa, but no nuts.  It fades rather more quickly than lingering long.    

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Posted Mon Apr 21, 2014, 7:14am
Subject: Re: When Bad Shots Go Good
 

It goes to show that the guidelines are just a starting point and adjust from there!

I have tasted some shots that by any and all guidelines should have gone into the sink but they tasted fine. Such as when changing beans in the grinder and the same dose/grind gave me a 90 second double, taking 30 seconds for the first drips to show in a naked pf, the block warning blairing the whole time! The shot was fine but the rules said it should not have been.

 
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Posted Tue Apr 22, 2014, 1:34am
Subject: Re: When Bad Shots Go Good
 

If I don't get a drop in the first 30 sec. I usually call it a wash (maybe I should give those a chance). My first try with the Pharos I let it go around a minute- still didn't see even any sign of moisture. I think it was a legitimate turkish grind. I was glad to find out it wasn't actually that hard to grind for a regular espresso grind!
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Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Apr 22, 2014, 6:30am
Subject: Re: When Bad Shots Go Good
 

Even if I see "there is no hope" I still let the shot run the course, heck, the coffee is already ground and I have nothing but a few seconds to loose!
You never know, sure it could go straight into the sink but it may just bring out something you never tasted before or not be as bad as you thought. YMMV!

 
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Posted Tue Apr 22, 2014, 8:06am
Subject: Re: When Bad Shots Go Good
 

I've had shots that were exactly in parameters for what a good shot should be like, and was really bad. And some shots that were way out of "parameters for espresso" that tasted delicious. We've gotten some cool weather, so with the change in humidity and now it's going to storm, weather change can effect extractions. The last two days the settings I was using are off now and the shot I just made after preinfusion poured slower and for 45 seconds that's timed on the CC1 so like 55 seconds total including preinfusion and dwell... tasted great and made an awesome iced coffee I'm drinking right now.

Going by the general rule it should have been swill.... but wasn't
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