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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:10am
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Did I just make crema with my 6 cup bialetti moka express? Here is the coffee:

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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:13am
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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 10:45am
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Here it is just being made.

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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 4:22pm
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I've got one of those Moka pots.  They make a tasty cup of coffee, but they don't make what we refer to as espresso.  Modern espresso extraction is done to very finely ground beans at high pressure (usually around 9 BAR), and crema is a side effect of it, created specifically from that same high pressure.  Crema usually has a very rich, light brown to reddish brown color, and the bubbles are extremely fine.

Yes, the Moka pot does use steam pressure to extract the coffee, but the grinds are coarser and the pressure is significantly less...about 1.5 BAR.  So Moka pots have some similarities to espresso in that both are done under pressure, but I think it's still closer to coffee than espresso.
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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 4:36pm
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I've never used a Moka pot so I can't speak to taste or quality, but as far as being crema in the strictest or truest sense, no it is not. That picture reminds me of what I was getting out of my cheap machine with a pressurized portafilter - not so much crema as a byproduct of liquid being forced through small holes, which causes aeration. As branmuffin indicated, your crema is lacking in depth of color and has too much air in it to be considered "real" crema.

Crema largely is a product of beans and less so a product of equipment. The staler the bean, the less crema you can expect. There are, I think, some exceptions to this that I'm not well-versed in (such as lighter roasts) so I will not comment on those. Even with a pressurized portafilter as with inexpensive espresso machines, a freshly roasted bean will yield much more crema, but it is the quality of the crema that sets it apart more than appearance.

As long as it tastes good to you, though, who cares what it looks like?

 
"But it is not a perfect world and none of us are god-shots.  As for me, I am a little over extracted and therefore slightly bitter and my crema is thin..." -Buckley
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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 4:54pm
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TheRealScubaSteve Said:

As long as it tastes good to you, though, who cares what it looks like?

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Thanks for the replies. True, what is important is really what is good to me, and not the fact that moka pots don't produce real espresso/crema. I prefer moka over espresso anyways.
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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 6:41pm
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Got home and made myself a shot...this is what my crema generally looks like.  I've zeroed into a specific bean (Klatch's Belle), which is a medium-dark roast.  Not sure if roast level changes the look/color of crema, as I've really only gotten beans around that general roast level.

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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 6:42pm
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Top view so you can see color and texture a bit better.

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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 6:52pm
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branmuffin17 Said:

Got home and made myself a shot...this is what my crema generally looks like.  I've zeroed into a specific bean (Klatch's Belle), which is a medium-dark roast.  Not sure if roast level changes the look/color of crema, as I've really only gotten beans around that general roast level.

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When I compare yours to mine, mine looks more aerated, less dense, and is a different colour. Mines definitely fake crema/just strong coffee.
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Posted Fri Apr 4, 2014, 8:11pm
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Mines definitely fake crema/just strong coffee.

Still tasty though!  Nothing wrong with a Moka pot.  Like ScubaSteve and a bunch of other people on the site say, the only thing that really matters is if it tastes good to you!
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