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Ais7
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 3:53am
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O.K. I have decided to ditch my De Longhi EC250 and upgrade.

After much research and soul searching, I have decided to go with the Gaggia MDF grinder & Gaggia Classic. I am aware of the mixed reviews for the MDF and would love a Rocky but I must be realistic and stay within my budget. At least I am moving up!

The best deal seems to be on Caffe Italia.ie, but I have heard horror stories about them, so i am thinking about going for the second best deal on Amazon. I am just wondering if this is the best way to go and what the warrantee and after sales care is like with them.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 8:18am
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Baratza Preciso is on Amazon, far better then the MDF. MDF is kinda a waste, you have a good started machine (Classic) but you'll pry be let down with the coffee as the MDF is a poor espresso grinder. Rocky is poor too, I used a modded one to be stepless and still didn't like the Rocky, out of date.

Or look at Le'Lit, they have the PL53 grinder. Not sure if it's on Amazon nor sure about retailers for Ireland.
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 9:04am
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Those two grinders seem to be only available in the U.S. They would also be out of my price range, I am afraid. I can buy a Gaggia MDF for under 150. I have read so much about grinders and i know I should be spending at least 250 but I just can't. I was hoping that the MDF & Classic would be a good start and I could sell the MDF next year when I can afford an upgrade. I really agonised over the decision and I kind of decided that surely something made by Gaggia to go with with a Gaggi machine can't be too bad. I was happy for a long time with my De Longhi and no grinder, so my thinking is that I will try and upgrade ever couple of years until I have a good set up.
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:01am
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Re: the grinder, you might consider the hausgrind if you're willing to grind by hand:

http://www.madebyknock.com/handgrind-grinders.html

It's espresso-capable and made not far from you in Scotland.
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:40am
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In addition to the hausgrind, look into the Hario Skerton and do the stepless mod (instructions are on here). Cheap, and will grind for espresso better than the MDF. Your gonna end up with spritzing gushing underextracted or over extracted shots with the MDF because of the poor burr set and wide steps.
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:44am
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I have never seen this brand for sale but I had decided against a hand grinder because I understand it takes a long time and a lot of effort to grind the beans. I have seen people doing it and I imagined that it would be unbearable if you had two or three people waiting for coffee. My dilemma is: I can only afford a Gaggia MDF with a Classic otherwise I can't afford a grinder and there just wouldn't be point in getting the machine without grinder. It is hard to believe that the Gaggia MDF would be of no use whatsoever, or is it?
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:21pm
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Well would you want those 2-3 people to drink awful shots/coffee from the MDF or good shots from another grinder ;) ? The MDF would be fine for a pressurized portafilter machine like your Delonghi. Pressurized portafilters don't make espresso, more like a shot of drip, as it forces coffee through a tiny hole helping compensate for using preground, or a poor grinder or even whirly blade. It froths the coffee so it appears to have crema but it's just froth coffee, not real crema made from the oils like on a normal machine. With a normal machine with a regular non-pressurized basket it's the grind quality that helps create the right back pressure and puck to extract espresso. It's not a matter of grinding fine enough, almost any grinder under 100 bucks will do that mostly b/c of the dust they create from poor fines control. Espresso requires not just fine grinding but the correct grind quality and consistency.

I started with a Delonghi Bar32 and using a Hario Mini, it worked better than depressurizing the basket. So if you get the MDF don't be surprised if you actually like the coffee better from the Delonghi then your Classic.

A Hario Skerton with step-less mod will outperform MDF easily. Really not that long to grind. Plus the classic is a single boiler, you'll have to wait at least 30 min to full warm up with PF locked in. And you'll have to temp surf taking up time before a shot to make sure your in the right temp range.

What about Ebay for UK, plenty of options there. Look at used machines, usually Classics can be found fairly easily. Same for grinders. If you can save for another month or two and get something like the Le'lit PL53 or Baratza Preciso you'll be much happier and not frustrated trying to make shots.
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:39pm
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OK, you might have turned me off the MDF! I suppose I could just buy the grinder now and the machine later. How about this one

Click Here (www.amazon.co.uk)

Although, I don't really like how it looks, which is a bit of a turn off for that price!
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 12:58pm
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Ais7 Said:

OK, you might have turned me off the MDF! I suppose I could just buy the grinder now and the machine later. How about this one

Click Here (www.amazon.co.uk)

Although, I don't really like how it looks, which is a bit of a turn off for that price!

Posted March 23, 2014 link

That looks like a rebadge Breville Smart grinder. Has a narrow window for espresso but will be better than the MDF no doubt that. It's an easy to use grinder, and if you end up doing anything coarse like drip or press it's great for that.

And yes your right, grinder grinder grinder. A decent grinder even on a Delonghi will produce better coffee than a $5,000 machine and poor grinder. And if you want to play more you can depressurized the basket, or better yet replace the basket with a regular one like some do on here. That way you can start making real crema etc.

Remember though you must use fresh roasted beans, anything store bought or preground won't be good and you'll be forced to use the pressurized basket. Even if using the pressurized basket fresh beans make a huge difference. When I started with a Delonghi Bar32 and fresh beans it was much better than anything Starbucks could make.
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Posted Sun Mar 23, 2014, 1:07pm
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Thanks. Yes, that ginder has a different name in the U.S. I don't have the De Longhi anymore though, i sold to upgrade! I'd use it for a cafetiere & maybe buy a chemex for a while! The small window might not be good enough, but that really is the most that I can pay and I just can't seem to find good options available in Ireland within my price range!
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