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beanjockey
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Posted Wed Feb 19, 2014, 8:06pm
Subject: no crema from ascaso dream
 

I just bought a very slightly used ascaso dream, a couple years old. I bought it because it really is a work of art, but thought it would be a step up from the Saeco aroma I own. It is only day 2 and I am trying not to get discouraged, but so far I am disappointed with the results I am getting. There is virtually no crema, whether using the single or double basket. I have tried the same fresh grind I was using in my Aroma, and I have also tried several pre-ground espressos to no avail. I have read a lot of conflicting information with regard to tamping so I am really no sure which direction to go. Also the steam wand seems a little difficult to use, but I realize it will take a while to master. If anyone who owns a dream could give me a few pointers I would appreciate it. The Saeco Aroma was effortless and I was very satisfied with the espresso and cappuccino I was getting from it. I am hoping I will get to that point with the Dream :)
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 7:03am
Subject: Re: no crema from ascaso dream
 

beanjockey Said:

I just bought a very slightly used ascaso dream, a couple years old. I bought it because it really is a work of art, but thought it would be a step up from the Saeco aroma I own. It is only day 2 and I am trying not to get discouraged, but so far I am disappointed with the results I am getting. There is virtually no crema, whether using the single or double basket.

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The Saeco Aroma usually comes with a pressurized portafilter, so maybe the seemingly good crema you're used to is only foamed coffee, in other words a fake. Your used Ascaso Dream, however, might have a regular portafilter, which is more difficult to handle.

beanjockey Said:

I have tried the same fresh grind I was using in my Aroma, and I have also tried several pre-ground espressos to no avail. I have read a lot of conflicting information with regard to tamping so I am really no sure which direction to go.

Posted February 19, 2014 link

The key question is: How fresh are your beans, i.e. how long ago were they roasted? If they are older than 15 days, they're probably stale. Besides, pre-ground coffee practically never works, because it's always stale and never ever has the required fineness. Never use pre-ground! And don't buy your beans at the supermarket. They're never fresh there.

The importance of tamping has been somewhat overrated. I wouldn't go so far as to say it's superflous, but it's more important to do it consistently than with a specific force. One easy way to go is to simply tamp as hard as you can.

Another important question is: What grinder are you using? Is it up to grinding fine enough for espresso?

 
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 8:21am
Subject: Re: no crema from ascaso dream
 

1 - EXACTLY what coffee beans are you using? When were they ROASTED?
2- What grinder are you using? "Hand grinder" is not enough information.
3 - grind finer
4 - Pre-ground? NO WAY!

 
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 9:11am
Subject: Re: no crema from ascaso dream
 

Yep, what they said.
It IS a step up from the Aroma but you need a good grinder to get good espresso and when you move away from the PPF, you NEED to adjust the grind for your specific situation.

Bean age is VERY important, two weeks from the DAY THEY WERE ROASTED is about the limit for great espresso. Old beans, improperly ground beans will produce, thin, watery, no crema fast shots.

 
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beanjockey
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Posted Thu Feb 20, 2014, 7:32pm
Subject: Re: no crema from ascaso dream
 

Thank you for your replies :) I am starting to get the idea that the beans and the grind are paramount. I was planning to buy the Ascaso I-mini stepless grinder. Since it will be used exclusively for this machine I won't need to adjust the grind for different styles and machines and also I can fine-tune the grind. Now as far as beans are concerned I come from a southern Canadian town. Espresso doesn't seem to be in the forefront around here. I do have one possible source for beans as a friend's cousin roasts beans so I could possibly have a steady supply. One final thought... bean storage. What is the proper way to store the beans? Again thanks so much for the feedback
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Posted Fri Feb 21, 2014, 12:03am
Subject: Re: no crema from ascaso dream
 

beanjockey Said:

I was planning to buy the Ascaso I-mini stepless grinder.

Posted February 20, 2014 link

Nice and sturdy, entry level electric grinder, suitable for espresso, albeit a little loud.

beanjockey Said:

Since it will be used exclusively for this machine I won't need to adjust the grind for different styles and machines and also I can fine-tune the grind.

Posted February 20, 2014 link

But you'll have to adjust your grind for daily changes like aging of the beans and humidity, for example.

beanjockey Said:

Now as far as beans are concerned I come from a southern Canadian town. Espresso doesn't seem to be in the forefront around here. I do have one possible source for beans as a friend's cousin roasts beans so I could possibly have a steady supply. One final thought... bean storage. What is the proper way to store the beans?

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Look for a local microroaster in your vicinity. If you can't find one that suits your needs, you'll be able to order fresh beans over the internet. The problem is this: After roasting coffee beans need to rest for about five to seven days in order to reach their aromatic peak, but already two weeks after roasting they start loosing their aroma and go stale, so you only have about a week to use them. This doesn't happen over night, but it's a more or less fast process. Industrial packaging can slow that degrading up to a certain degree, but after opening the bag the beans usually go stale within a few days. What you can do in order to preserve their aroma is to order a larger badge and deep freeze the beans in a mason jar, for example, while they're still fresh. Then you only thaw a weeks supply.

 
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beanjockey
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Location: amherstburg, ontario, canada
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Espresso: ascaso dream
Grinder: hand burr grinder
Drip: Hamilton beach scoop
Posted Fri Feb 21, 2014, 3:20am
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Again I appreciate the feedback,  you have inspired me and given me a lot to think about. I will track down this micro-roaster and go from there. Thanks once again
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Posted Fri Feb 21, 2014, 5:52am
Subject: Re: no crema from ascaso dream
 

beanjockey Said:

Now as far as beans are concerned I come from a southern Canadian town. Espresso doesn't seem to be in the forefront around here. I do have one possible source for beans as a friend's cousin roasts beans so I could possibly have a steady supply.

Posted February 20, 2014 link

Where in southern Canada are you located?

Canada is extremely wide geographically. I'm just outside Toronto in the suburbs. I could point you to some great roasters who ship anywhere in Canada. And perhaps some that are local to you, depending on where you are.

It's helps to list your city/town in your member profile, not just your country. This helps forum members provide advice that's tailored to your specific location.

If you're open to telling us your town, we might be able to help!

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