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jdevleerjr
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Posted Fri Dec 13, 2013, 6:59pm
Subject: What would the best upgrade be?
 

I will have about $400 to spend come Jan / Feb and I was looking for the best upgrade for the money.

Right now I run a Siliva V3 / Dosserless Combo.   I have several mods on the Siliva, flat screen, bottomless filter, and I adjusted the OPV to 9 bars.  Right now with this combo I can get some very good shots, not perfect but better then 95% of the coffee shops in the area.  

I am toying with a PID kit or replacing the Rocky.  I would go with a Baratza Vario Grinder, and use the rocky for my french press.  I also could sell the Rocky and recoup some of the cost.

I never do Milk drinks, only straight doubles.  

So for the money what would be my better upgrade?  I know most will say the grinder but if I am not having issues with the Rocky should I replace it?  Would upgrading it really help bring my shots to the next level.
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Posted Fri Dec 13, 2013, 7:44pm
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My suggestion is buy a better grinder. Then sell the Rocky and use some of the money for a PID kit. The answer is YES, a grinder upgrade will be that noticeable. In fact, go read the recent thread about {will I notice a difference if I upgrade my grinder}.

 
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Posted Sat Dec 14, 2013, 8:30pm
Subject: Re: What would the best upgrade be?
 

Good idea Ron, do BOTH!
The PID really helps with Sylvia and you really need to step up from Rocky too. I think that both will give you more improvement than you may think you would see.

For the best bang for your buck, a used commercial grinder can be had in your price range if you have the counter space, I feel they are a great answer but then I am inclined to big, heavy industrial equipment so what do I know? :D

 
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Posted Sun Dec 15, 2013, 7:59am
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What industrial grinder would you suggest?
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Posted Mon Dec 16, 2013, 12:07am
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From what I gather reading around the forum I'd imagine it would be a Baratza Vario.

Oh he said industrial, hmmmm that's going to be a big piece of equipment.
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Posted Mon Dec 16, 2013, 9:29am
Subject: Re: What would the best upgrade be?
 

It really depends on what you can find, most any commercial grinder will give better results that home duty grinders. The only thing to watch out for is that some of them are stepped grinders such as the Rossi RR45. There is a finer ring for that grinder but the company is out of business so finding the ring may be a little tough. As to a grinder whos maker is out of business, just about the only thing that will give a problem on nearly any commercial grinder is that the burrs will need to be changed. For the most part though, the parts market is pretty easy to get the burrs. The Mazzer SJ (Super Jolly) is pretty common but the supply is starting to dry up in the used market so the prices have been edging up. The N.S. MDX is a very good grinder, I like the adjustment system BETTER than the SJ and as a bonus, they tend to sell for less on the used market too! Those are pretty much the most common found commercial grinders HERE, what you may find where you are could be a little different.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 1:56pm
Subject: Re: What would the best upgrade be?
 

jdevleerjr Said:

So for the money what would be my better upgrade?

Posted December 13, 2013 link

The grinder.  There's a reason why we say it matters more.  Going from the Rocky to the Super Jolly was one of my biggest improvements in the cup.

jdevleerjr Said:

I know most will say the grinder but if I am not having issues with the Rocky should I replace it?

Posted December 13, 2013 link

Not having issues with something doesn't mean that there's no room for improvement.  Not having issues is generally a low bar to jump.  In short, yes.
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Posted Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:02pm
Subject: Re: What would the best upgrade be?
 

I just upgraded from a Rocky to a Vario.  By far, biggest difference in the cup.  I can tamp with the wrong end and still get a far better shot than my best shots with the Rocky.  The Vario is a big improvement over the Rocky.  I got mine from Baratza refurbished.  It's not the concrete tank that Rocky is, but it's more like a 2014 Rolls - it does a great job at what it's made to do, but if you run it over by accident it will break, unlike the Rocky...

I also have a PID temp. controller on my Silvia, but you can rustle up the parts from ebay and install it for under 100 bucks pretty easily.

I would go with the grinder personally.
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Posted Thu Feb 13, 2014, 1:46am
Subject: Re: What would the best upgrade be?
 

Upgrading for grinders can choose from Vario and also this one, Eureka Magnon on Demand.  They all can make much bigger difference.

For the machine, Silvia, it is really not necessary.  Although the temperature is not stable, PID is not a must.
If only you make your coffee in a different way, you do not have to worry about the temperature, any more.
That is,

  1. get the coffee grounds into your PF, and tamp
  2. release the steam or hot water until the heater start working
  3. get the PF on your machine and keep waiting
  4. once the heating light is off, press the coffee brewing button immediately

Every time you do like this, and alter other parameters; one day you can make a good coffee.

 
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