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badmajon
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 5:31am
Subject: Is there really a market for good coffee in the USA?
 

Like many on here, I sometimes dream of quitting my day job and starting a cafe somewhere in a decent sized city with lots of AM foot traffic... serving only the best espresso based and pourover coffees and freshly baked all natural desserts to go with them.

However, I wonder if hypothetically even if I could save enough cash to open such a venture, would people appreciate it? Would there be a demand? I mean, we're living in a country where most people think 'good coffee' = starbucks.

Thoughts?
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 6:01am
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You just need to go to a major city and youll be fine. There are literally hundreds in Chicago and they are always packed.
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 6:13am
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The only place I've ever had truly excellent coffee was Flight Coffee in Wellington, NZ. Chicago? I only know The Loop and Gold Coast, Lavazza wasn't bad (on Monroe I think) but not amazing either! The rest of it is Starbucks et al.
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 6:44am
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In your neighborhood I don't know of any. Head over to Klatch to your east, outstanding coffee, down south a little is Kean and Portola, to your west is Intelly and I know there are others I just can't remember them at the moment.

 
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 6:46am
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I'm wondering...have you tried Handsome, Intelligentsia, Klatch (all in the LA area)?  I think there are others in the LA area that are good - check the west coast threads.  I agree with your other response, that the demand for good coffee is there in the larger cities.  In fact, I know people who don't drink coffee because they can't find anything good and don't want to make their own (one of them used to live in LA). The artisan cafes in Houston are packed much of the time.  I don't go very often because I make my own, but there are a few here that are very good, and they're doing well.

 
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 1:14pm
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badmajon Said:

The only place I've ever had truly excellent coffee was Flight Coffee in Wellington, NZ. Chicago? I only know The Loop and Gold Coast, Lavazza wasn't bad (on Monroe I think) but not amazing either! The rest of it is Starbucks et al.

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Starbucks and Lavazza were not included in my comment. I would never step foot into either of those. I'm talking metropolis, intelligentsia, bow truss, gaslight, big shoulders, etc.
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 2:04pm
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in pasadena, you have the newly opened Copa Vida and Intelligentsia.

Youre only a short freeway drive or gold line train ride away from some of the best coffee in LA.  Some places that come to mind that are fairly close are, Cognoscenti, Demitasse, Intelli, Stumptown, G&B, Dulce, Handsome and others im sure im forgetting.  

if you cant find good coffee in the greater LA area, youre really not trying hard enough
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Posted Mon Oct 28, 2013, 3:10pm
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badmajon Said:

Chicago? I only know The Loop and Gold Coast, Lavazza wasn't bad (on Monroe I think) but not amazing either! The rest of it is Starbucks et al.

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Huh?!?! Chicago is literally covered in roasters/shops that know what their doing. Lavazza isn't near as good as the shops/roasters in Chicago, I rank it with Charbucks for crap coffee lol. Post above has just a few mentioned, Google chicago and you'll find dozens upon dozens upon dozens more (same for your area, just google your area and should find some good places, or Yelp).
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Posted Tue Oct 29, 2013, 10:43am
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badmajon Said:

Is there really a market for good coffee in the USA?

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Absolutely.  There are many good coffee shops out there throughout the country.  Unless I'm traveling to some small town I can generally find good coffee.  It's pretty much a given in just about any major city.

That said, the specific market you're considering may require some education and cultivation.

badmajon Said:

I mean, we're living in a country where most people think 'good coffee' = starbucks.

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You can make such an argument on any topic.  Is there a market for high performance cars when most people prefer cheap/reliable/boring cars?  Is there a market for high quality steak when millions eat at McDonald's?  Is there a market for higher end retail with Walmart?

It's not about catering to the masses if you're going to specialize in high end product.  The niche won't be as big as the most popular options but there's still plenty of opportunity within the niche.

badmajon Said:

The rest of it is Starbucks et al.

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You're not looking hard enough.  Or effectively enough.  Starbucks may be ubiquitous but that doesn't mean that the market for better coffee doesn't exist.
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Posted Wed Oct 30, 2013, 3:28am
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You’re right of saying that you’re living in a country where most people think good coffee, thus make this a challenge rather than thinking negative in your café venture. It is not true that beginners have no more chance to compete entering the same venture because big and popular coffee shops are there around USA. Coffee business still good around USA, so think positive and don’t hesitate to start opening coffee shop in any busy places in the USA.

 
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