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pizzaman383
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Posted Sun Aug 25, 2013, 4:08pm
Subject: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

I tried getting some discussion about this to happen on home-barista but it didn't go anywhere.  Maybe there will be more interest here on coffeegeek.

My favorite drink is cold espresso with milk and some sugar. I typically use about a one-to-one ratio of espresso to milk - I think it's closest to a cortado. I like a strong espresso flavor but I like it cut with milk and some sugar. For convenience, I sometimes buy the *$ DoubleShot in the can. It's not pure but it's what I like ;-).

I've been experimenting with variations of the amount of espresso, milk, half-and-half, heavy cream, and sugar to vary ratio of coffee to milk/cream and the sweetness. I've also varied the type of espresso blend between several blends with which I have lots of experience. It's been really interesting.

Here are some of the findings:
- The amount of cream changes the mouth feel more than it changes the taste. The fat in the cream brings a smoothness that's really nice.
- Coffee blends that taste fantastic with just milk don't taste as good with cream. I think that the blend needs to be matched to the amount of milk and the type of cream. I think I may like the *$ espresso blend best when made with heavy cream.
- After figuring out the ratio espresso, reduced fat milk, heavy cream, and sugar in the *$ DoubleShot can I have used it with my own brewed espresso I find it pretty close to what's in the can.

I have been amazed by how much you can change the balance and taste by addition of a little milk, water, or cream. I used to wonder why there are so many different espresso drinks. Now, I want to make all of the drinks on the espresso drink poster one after the other so I can try them all.

I also think that varying the ratio of milk/water/cream to espresso should be added to the list of things to try in order to maximize your enjoyment of a particular espresso bean/roast/blend.
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Posted Tue Aug 27, 2013, 6:51am
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

I'm not sure what discussion you are trying to get. People enjoy coffee/espresso in many ways, what you like I may spit out and the reverse may also be true. For example, I can't stand cold or even room temp coffee, it causes me to gag while I have friends who love cold and iced coffee. We simply have different taste preferences.

When discussing things that are personal in nature, there is not right or wrong, just what you prefer.

Enjoy.

 
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Posted Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:25pm
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

We have different taste and choice. If you enjoy your espresso with heavy cream, then thatís your choice. But remember that too much cream is not good for your health. 1 teaspoon of non-dairy creamers has 10 calories. It is still good but when you add more teaspoons, then it will double or triple the calories.

Bottom line: enjoy your espresso if possible without those extra calories and fat.

 
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Posted Wed Aug 28, 2013, 6:38am
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

Non dairy creamer never entered into the discussion, we are all grown adults here,whatever we decide to drink, we take it upon ourselves for the consequences, regardless of the calories consumed, enjoy what you enjoy before the government tells you what you may or may not eat..... even more than they are at the moment.

 
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Posted Wed Aug 28, 2013, 9:44am
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

calblacksmith Said:

Non dairy creamer never entered into the discussion, we are all grown adults here,whatever we decide to drink, we take it upon ourselves for the consequences, regardless of the calories consumed, enjoy what you enjoy before the government tells you what you may or may not eat..... even more than they are at the moment.

Posted August 28, 2013 link

+1.  And it seems to me that people ought to take a night and watch George Orwell's "1984".  Before THAT movie is outlawed.  And maybe for a good read the "Declaration of Independence".  Before THAT document is outlawed.

OK.  Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.  

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Posted Wed Aug 28, 2013, 5:29pm
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

calblacksmith Said:

I'm not sure what discussion you are trying to get. People enjoy coffee/espresso in many ways, what you like I may spit out and the reverse may also be true. For example, I can't stand cold or even room temp coffee, it causes me to gag while I have friends who love cold and iced coffee. We simply have different taste preferences.

When discussing things that are personal in nature, there is not right or wrong, just what you prefer.

Enjoy.

Posted August 27, 2013 link

I was not trying to have a discussion about my preferences.  I was trying to get somebody else's thoughts and experiences with the variations in taste that different amounts of milk and milkfat make in espresso.
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Posted Wed Aug 28, 2013, 8:09pm
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my cream or milk preference depends on what type of drink or where i got my drink. sometimes, i liked just the right amount but there are times i would like to put on some more.

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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 4:26am
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

CoffeeLoversMag Said:

We have different taste and choice. If you enjoy your espresso with heavy cream, then thatís your choice. But remember that too much cream is not good for your health. 1 teaspoon of non-dairy creamers has 10 calories. It is still good but when you add more teaspoons, then it will double or triple the calories.

Bottom line: enjoy your espresso if possible without those extra calories and fat.

Posted August 27, 2013 link

B.S.Margarin and creamer will plug you up and  kill you just as dead just as fast as real milk fat products.

CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

+1.  And it seems to me that people ought to take a night and watch George Orwell's "1984".  Before THAT movie is outlawed.  And maybe for a good read the "Declaration of Independence".  Before THAT document is outlawed.

Posted August 28, 2013 link

Truth! Governments should fear the people not the people fear the government. When the current mood of "provided for" by the government becomes "fear of and controlled by" it will be to late.

pizzaman383 Said:

I was not trying to have a discussion about my preferences.  I was trying to get somebody else's thoughts and experiences with the variations in taste that different amounts of milk and milkfat make in espresso.

Posted August 28, 2013 link

I drink mostly straight doubles and a few macchiatos. I steam only organic whole milk and it seems a short walk between a spoon full of cream and a macchiato.  I am not shocked to hear someone enjoys it that way. You might try warming the cream just for giggles.

 
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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 5:07am
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

pizzaman383 Said:

I was not trying to have a discussion about my preferences.  I was trying to get somebody else's thoughts and experiences with the variations in taste that different amounts of milk and milkfat make in espresso.

Posted August 28, 2013 link

It is ALL about personal preferences. Each person is unique to themselves and what I love you may hate and reversed. What I feel " will smooth the profile" you may find masking the taste.

Play around with things, change it up, drink what you want to drink and don't give a hoot to anyone who has a different view of it as it is you that will be drinking it, not them.

 
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Anything I post is personal opinion and is only worth as much as anyone else's personal opinion. YMMV!

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Posted Thu Aug 29, 2013, 3:13pm
Subject: Re: I'm really enjoying espresso with cream.
 

The closest I have come to such a thing is a wonderful dessert  'Affogato';

A shot of brandy and a shot of espresso over a dollop of ice cream.


...I guess you can leave out the brandy.
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