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GlowingGhoul
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 9:55am
Subject: Am I nuts?
 

I love coffee.  I began paying attention to the quality of the drip coffee I was drinking by the gallon, and slowly made improvements over the years...better machine (Bunn A-10), better grinder (Kitchenaid "Pro" burr), filtered water, better beans.

Then I discovered espresso based drinks and fell in love with the richness of the experience.

So, after perusing these and other coffee forums, I decided doing espresso the "real" way was too daunting, so I got the top of the line Nespresso machine from Delonghi. Much better!....for a little while. Café cappa's just tasted much better, and took the shine off Nespresso.

OK, it must be fresh roasted coffee versus the capsules making the difference.

Out with the Nespresso, in with a Jura XS90 superauto. A little dialing in of the grinder and "strength"(quantity of grounds) setting, using fresh locally roasted beans, and definitely an improvement over Nespresso.

While I was at a local restaurant picking up a bag of fresh roasted beans (they are his distributer), they made me a Cappacino that blew away what I'm making at home.

So now after researching for months, I'm looking at a plumbed in La Spaz S1 Dream with rotary pump, and a Compak K10 Fresh grinder.

Am I crazy? Is this finally going to produce the same quality of espresso as the average coffee bar, or am I going to be disappointed and be told I need a GS/3 to get what I'm looking for (which is way out of my price range). I just want good quality espresso I can easily duplicate with every shot. My head's not clear in the morning and I need to automate as much as possible. I'm thinking fill portafilter, tamp, into S1 and push a button to brew while steaming milk.
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 10:54am
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

Any reasonable manual/semi-auto machine where you have control of the bean freshness, the grinder, dosing, tamping and the pour itself is going to give you a result miles beyond a superauto or nespresso machine. You probably don't need to go as far as the La Spaz S1 and the K10 to get that improvement.  On the other hand, that's no reason not to...

As for your general sanity - that needs more data. ;)
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:58am
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

GlowingGhoul Said:

...<snip familiar story>... So now after researching for months, I'm looking at a plumbed in La Spaz S1 Dream with rotary pump, and a Compak K10 Fresh grinder.

Posted June 21, 2013 link

"It's deja vu all over again."

Am I crazy? Is this finally going to produce the same quality of espresso as the average coffee bar, or am I going to be disappointed and be told I need a GS/3 to get what I'm looking for.

If you are, then I will save you a suite at the "RedRoof RubberRoom Inn."

Just about any dual boiler, PID equipped machine will likely out perform 95% (dare I say 98.5%) of any coffee shop. The K-10 Fresh is also an excellent grinder. From there is will just take high-quality, fresh coffee beans and lots of experience. Espresso is a journey, and if it does nothing else, is proven by my website.

 
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 12:19pm
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

yeah, visit his website...seriously! It's got tons of awesome info, some of which will help you right off the bat (for instance, article 12, Easy Guide to Better Espresso at Home).

Agree with the other posts...that with the La Spaz/K10 combo you suggest the only thing that would limit you getting something better than just about every cafe you'll ever visit wil be you. There are 4 key components that go into espresso: mischela (blend), maccinazione (grinder), machina (machine), and mano (you).  As they also mentiond, there are other purcahse options that will put in you in a similar position.

 
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 9:57pm
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

GlowingGhoul Said:

So now after researching for months, I'm looking at a plumbed in La Spaz S1 Dream with rotary pump, and a Compak K10 Fresh grinder.

Posted June 21, 2013 link

That is a very decent choice. I agree with the other posters, anything you make with that set up will usually match or exceed the quality of what you'll get in a coffee shop.
Especially if you are paying close attention to your grind, dosage and shot volumes.

GlowingGhoul Said:

Am I crazy?

Posted June 21, 2013 link

Nope, you're just taking coffee seriously and making it with prosumer grade (I'd even dare say low-end professional) equipment.

GlowingGhoul Said:

be told I need a GS/3 to get what I'm looking for (which is way out of my price range).

Posted June 21, 2013 link

It is my own personal experience that you get a better cup with a better grinder than you do a better machine. I mentioned this on another thread, but I noticed more
of a difference going from a $350 grinder (A Rancilio Rocky) to a $1100 grinder (A Mazzer Mini E) than I did from my Rancilio Silvia ($640 new) to my Izzo Alex Duetto. ($2500 new)

IMHO, I honestly think that a GS/3 is complete overkill for the home and only really is beneficial if you make lots and lots of coffee. Between a GS/3 and a La Spaz, I don't think
you would be able to tell the difference.

Now, between something like a Compak K10 Fresh and a Versalab, hard to say... That's a whole other debate...

I'm at the point myself where I'm contemplating upgrading my grinder, but I'm worried about how badly my wife will maim me. :)

 
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 3:08pm
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

qualin Said:

I'm at the point myself where I'm contemplating upgrading my grinder, but I'm worried about how badly my wife will maim me. :)

Posted June 21, 2013 link

"If she is a coffee drinker, and you choose a grinder of which she disapproves, the wrong choice was of the wife."
            - from the soon-to-be-released book, "The Single man's Corollary - A Guide to Coffee and Divorce"

 
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 4:09pm
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

frcn Said:

"If she is a coffee drinker, and you choose a grinder of which she disapproves, the wrong choice was of the wife."
            - from the soon-to-be-released book, "The Single man's Corollary - A Guide to Coffee and Divorce"

Posted June 22, 2013 link

Please keep us posted of the release of your book! ;-)
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:06am
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

qualin Said:

<snip>
It is my own personal experience that you get a better cup with a better grinder than you do a better machine. I mentioned this on another thread, but I noticed more of a difference going from a $350 grinder (A Rancilio Rocky) to a $1100 grinder (A Mazzer Mini E) than I did from my Rancilio Silvia ($640 new) to my Izzo Alex Duetto. ($2500 new)

Posted June 21, 2013 link

I think you need to make this more concise and let me quote it in my thread or better yet put it in your sig file.  This should be plastered all over this site.

 
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:01pm
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

Quality SBDU, HX, or DB, all can produce great espresso with care on behalf of the one pulling the shots, provided they have a great grinder.

The choice of the above machine depends on what you want to drink. All will produce great straight shots. Add milk into the mix and you move to HX or DB, both make great milk drinks as well as straight shots, the difference between them is the way you like to work, neither is "better" than the other however one can be BETTER FOR THAT PERSON, depending on how ... they like to work.

 
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GlowingGhoul
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Posted Mon Jun 24, 2013, 5:28pm
Subject: Re: Am I nuts?
 

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and opinions with me.

Now I have another quandary. I'm wondering if a flat burr grinder like the K8 Fresh would be a better fit for me than the K10. I like the slower RPM, more powerful motor, and longer lasting burrs of the K10, BUT, I've seen some comments that suggest flat burrs bring out rounder, chocolate and spice flavors in espresso, and conicals accentuate fruity, brighter notes with many individual flavors. I prefer the types of flavors flat burrs are said to bring out.

Out of thousands of posts searched, I've only seen this mentioned a handful of times. I realize the coffee used will have the biggest impact on flavor, but do you find the flat vs conical flavor profile to be true? It's unlike me to go from a more expensive appliance to a cheaper one. If the flat burr K8 was as much as or more than the conical k10, I'd find it reassuringly expensive and it would be a no brainer :)
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