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Posted Mon Jan 30, 2012, 5:53pm
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I have a pretty old Astoria 2 group machine which steams pretty bad foam. It's really hard to get a decent cappuccino on it. I recently bought a  new steam wand tip for it. When I screw it on, it only covers about half of the threads before being fully on. I think the problem with the old tips are the holes are too big. Any suggestions? Thanks!
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Posted Tue Jan 31, 2012, 5:52am
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I don't think it is a matter that the holes are too big, rather with a two group commercial machine, it was not designed to steam 6 oz of milk and the holes are the proper size for the job the machine was designed to do.

Are you having a problem with your new tip? I am not quite sure what you are asking.

 
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Posted Tue Jan 31, 2012, 9:21am
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The new tip doesn't fit all the way on. The steam wand has about 10 threads and the tip I bought only screws up about 5. Maybe I don't fully understand but I feel like any commercial espresso machine should be able to make a cappuccino with beautiful micro foam. Is there any sort of thread adapter or should I just call it a loss and make sure I get a tip with 10 threads?
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Posted Wed Feb 1, 2012, 6:10am
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In relation to the threads, how deep is the new tip? If it screws on all the way it can go, then you will have threads left over on your wand. That may or may not be a big deal depending on how you feel about it though it will be a little harder cleaning the wand.

Yes, commercial machines are perfectly able to do great foam but I think the thing you are not thinking about is that when you try to steam a small volume of milk, it is like trying to take a sip from a fire hose, the ratio is all wrong. Commercial machines are designed for a commercial setting including steaming larger volumes of milk at a time.

My single (and my double groups for that matter) will blow 4 or 6 oz of milk out of the pitcher and it requires a steady hand and skill with the steam knob to throttle the machine down for small volumes of milk and even then perfect foam is very hard to do if it is even possible, and the pitcher is very important in size and volume.

On the other hand, with 12 to 16 oz of milk in a 32 oz pitcher, you can get perfect foam nearly every time in only a few seconds.

 
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Posted Tue Nov 6, 2012, 9:36am
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calblacksmith Said:

In relation to the threads, how deep is the new tip? If it screws on all the way it can go, then you will have threads left over on your wand. That may or may not be a big deal depending on how you feel about it though it will be a little harder cleaning the wand.

Yes, commercial machines are perfectly able to do great foam but I think the thing you are not thinking about is that when you try to steam a small volume of milk, it is like trying to take a sip from a fire hose, the ratio is all wrong. Commercial machines are designed for a commercial setting including steaming larger volumes of milk at a time.

My single (and my double groups for that matter) will blow 4 or 6 oz of milk out of the pitcher and it requires a steady hand and skill with the steam knob to throttle the machine down for small volumes of milk and even then perfect foam is very hard to do if it is even possible, and the pitcher is very important in size and volume.

On the other hand, with 12 to 16 oz of milk in a 32 oz pitcher, you can get perfect foam nearly every time in only a few seconds.

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Came across this while googling on why I can't get decent quality microfoam/pour latte art etc with my commercial Astoria single group. Apologies for the resurrection. Now I know why unfortunately. Being wired for 220v and being an absolute powerhouse, unless I make a huge pitcher of steamed milk for my single drink it would appear that the OP including myself, would need to downgrade machines?
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Posted Tue Nov 6, 2012, 9:48am
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I eventually got the new tips on all the way and it works way better. I believe the stock tips come wit 5 holes and they're fairly large. I reccomend getting new tips with at most 4 holes that are smaller. It's all about the tip. The one I bought from EP will go on though I don't know if I messed up the threads on the steam wand or not.
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