frankblu Senior Member Joined: 8 Jun 2009 Posts: 22 Expertise: I like coffee
Posted Sun Aug 14, 2011, 10:25pm Subject: 14g Dose
Does anyone actually still use a 14g double. Most shops that I have been to recently and most of the discussion seems to be drifting more towards 18-21g doses. Just curious
Posted Sun Aug 14, 2011, 10:50pm Subject: Re: 14g Dose
I do use 14g double and prefer it that way. There are times when I use 16g too for Latte. It's the same to Gaggia Carezza and also La Peppina for me. Just that I also like single (7g) on La Peppina, no single on Gaggia.
Personally, I don't like to use so much coffee in one shot when I could get almost (almost) similar result with lower dose. It's probably budget issue. But if you really want to enjoy 1.5-2 oz ristrettos, then you definitely have to go to the high dose path.
NobbyR Senior Member Joined: 10 Jul 2011 Posts: 1,661 Location: Germany Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Mon Aug 15, 2011, 3:41am Subject: Re: 14g Dose
I still use 7 g for a single shot and 14 g for a doppio, the later I also take for making a Cappucino, Caffè Latte or Latte Macchiato. I'm getting excellent results on my Poccino Opus One and hardly see a reason to updose. 21 g I'd consider a tripple espresso.
But that's just my personal way of brewing.
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calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 5,763 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Mon Aug 15, 2011, 6:52am Subject: Re: 14g Dose
I use 18 g and pull two full oz for a double shot. My machine is volumetric dosing and I know, for sure, the shot will not blond with 18g for a double shot, unless I mess up the shot prep, which would make any shot be bad not just in a volumetric machine.
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cappuccinoboy Senior Member Joined: 27 Jun 2009 Posts: 793 Location: MILANO Expertise: Professional
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Posted Mon Aug 15, 2011, 7:45am Subject: Re: 14g Dose
calblacksmith Said:
I use 18 g and pull two full oz for a double shot. My machine is volumetric dosing and I know, for sure, the shot will not blond with 18g for a double shot, unless I mess up the shot prep, which would make any shot be bad not just in a volumetric machine.
theory says that using 18 grams you should grind coarser then if you were using 14 grams = your extraction last longer before blonding, but your brew quality does not improve.....still if you want it bigger there is no way around... ciao, Pietro
calblacksmith Moderator Joined: 25 Nov 2007 Posts: 5,763 Location: Riverside, Ca, U.S.A. Expertise: I live coffee
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Posted Mon Aug 15, 2011, 1:03pm Subject: Re: 14g Dose
Pietro, I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
14g, 25 seconds at about 9 bar and 195 to 205 for a two oz (double shot). I add a little more coffee to avoid blonding early while maintaining the 25 to 30 second pull.
I never said it was a restricted shot(s)
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cappuccinoboy Senior Member Joined: 27 Jun 2009 Posts: 793 Location: MILANO Expertise: Professional
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Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 7:07am Subject: Re: 14g Dose
calblacksmith Said:
Pietro, I really don't understand what you are trying to say.
14g, 25 seconds at about 9 bar and 195 to 205 for a two oz (double shot). I add a little more coffee to avoid blonding early while maintaining the 25 to 30 second pull.
Wayne, to go from 14 gram to 18 you definetly need a different basket, but point is that thickness of puck will increase causing an increase in brew pressure = to extract at same pressure you need to grind slightly coarser : with 18 gram you avoid early blonding BUT it is not the same espresso..... (only for argument sake) Ciao, Pietro
Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 10:35am Subject: Re: 14g Dose
Ive been pulling at 16 grams with no issues to speak of. However theoretically if all is well a 14g shot shouldn't blonde. I pull at 16g for a 50ml ristretto, or a 100/110ml pull for a double espresso (typically just in latte's). The 21g triple ristretto is just stupid if you ask me.
If you're having trouble at 14g, up the dose to 16/18g and work out your technique a bit, then adjust yourself accordingly as you move back to 14g.
Anthony C
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Posted Tue Aug 16, 2011, 12:06pm Subject: Re: 14g Dose
It depends on many factors such as the basket, protrusion of the shower screen, and even the roast sometimes. I have been using around 15.5 to 15.7 grams. The same does that works on an E-61 is not necessarily going to work on a Silvia. The barista has to adapt the dose to the equipment, coffee, and their own taste preference. And if you are using a scale that has a resolution of while grams, it is fairly pointless to even try to get an accurate dose by weight and you are better off to dose by volume.
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