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Posted Wed Jul 6, 2011, 2:22am
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Whether or not, you have the right to call it "espresso", but for Italians, they won't call it "espresso".

The customers also have the right to call it as they like, I think.

 
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Posted Wed Jul 6, 2011, 8:42am
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Hmmmm . . . is "Fred" a common name for a caveman?  Who knew?  Well, if you want to engage in a genuine conversation, let me know -- but I wouldn't want to tax that little caveman brain.  But, OTOH, if a worldly human being by the name of Fred wants to participate on a site like CG, I say "welcome."

Posted July 5, 2011 link

Before anyone bashes Fred too severely, I'd point out for those that may not be in the know, that he was quoting an old Phil Hartman Saturday Night Live sketch about a caveman lawyer who would finish every single closing argument with that speech followed by the "I do know one thing..." statement (after which the jury would be positively moved and convinced of his defense.)

Just thought I'd point out where the humor was intended to be going....

That I actually know this is rather depressing, however... :)
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Posted Wed Jul 6, 2011, 8:50am
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Yes, well -- in this context, it's about as funny as Starbux trying to pass itself off as top-quality espresso . . . ;^)

(Of course, my problem is that I stopped watching SNL after the original cast left.)

 
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Posted Wed Jul 6, 2011, 8:51am
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alliewk Said:

Yes. Yes. Yes. YES! This is all possible. Especially, Especially, Especially if they had the space, cash, demand to install a full espresso bar, and have hired a full time highly trained barista. Why wouldn't it be?
No, seriously. Why wouldn't it be possible to maintain high volume sales, bean inventory, and have continuously dialed in fresh coffee?

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Thanks for taking the time to sign up and write such a superb commentary.  Welcome to the forums!

To answer your question, for a large enough restaurant such as yours, with a full service coffee program and an obviously dedicated barista running it, that certainly wouldn't be such a problem.  For the average small restaurant in most sections of the country, it would be fair to say that unlike a cafe where every customer (nearly every customer) is there for an espresso based beverage, and the hoppers can't stay full long enough, relatively few customers would be ordering espresso based beverages.  Even if it were  fantastic espresso, it would pale next to alcoholic beverages, soft drinks, and plain old drip coffee. While enough may be interested, for these establishments keeping a rotating stock of beans (or keeping the grinder running with enough frequency to not stale in the chute) would be a challenge.  Coffee would pair with the dessert program more than the dinner program in these cases, and in most small restaurants, the dessert program is low volume on its own. Obviously, the more up-scale you go, the larger the size tends to go, and certainly the numbers play out much better.
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Posted Wed Jul 6, 2011, 8:53am
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JasonBrandtLewis Said:

Yes, well -- in this context, it's about as funny as Starbux trying to pass itself off as top-quality espresso . . . ;^)

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Or a winery.... :)

(Of course, my problem is that I stopped watching SNL after the original cast left.)

Hartman was the last of the genuine comedians on it, I stuck it out as long as he was there....but couldn't stand it much beyond that...
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Posted Mon Jul 11, 2011, 6:32am
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I agree. it's very hard to find a restaurant that offers a decent espresso. Even in Italy not all the bars and restaurants are up to it. But there's one difference: In Italy you usually don't order an espresso to be brought to your table, which ineviably leads to the coffee being too cold unless it's served immediatly. In Italy you buy and drink it at the bar (hence the word barista): The espresso is made at your oder and served at once.

 
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Posted Tue Jul 12, 2011, 4:39pm
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Thankd for the post on Woodbury, I will be taking my wife there the weekend of the GP race in Baltimore.
I am from Chicago and appreciate the help in finding a great place as I travel to Baltimore area quite often.

thanks again
Bill

jbviau Said:

For a huge exception to the general rule, check out Baltimore's Woodberry Kitchen. Their coffee program is amazing and got a nice write-up in Barista Magazine recently (click here; then go to p. 56).

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Posted Tue Jul 12, 2011, 9:46pm
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moreshots Said:

Thankd for the post on Woodbury, I will be taking my wife there the weekend of the GP race in Baltimore.
I am from Chicago and appreciate the help in finding a great place as I travel to Baltimore area quite often.

thanks again
Bill

Posted July 12, 2011 link

Bill,
Please let me know when you make your reservation at Woodberry. I would love to meet you and your wife, and offer you a memorable meal in your stay in Baltimore. You can directly contact me at allie@woodberrykitchen.com. Cheers. Look foward to seeing you.-allie
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Posted Wed Jul 13, 2011, 2:37pm
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Allie
I will let you know what night or nights we may be in , I truly appreciate the kindness of your offer but would offer to bring you anything "almost" from Chicago. we will be in that weekend and I will contact you after making a reservation  .I look forward to meeting you and sampling your great coffees.

Thank you
Bill

alliewk Said:

Bill,
Please let me know when you make your reservation at Woodberry. I would love to meet you and your wife, and offer you a memorable meal in your stay in Baltimore. You can directly contact me at allie@woodberrykitchen.com. Cheers. Look foward to seeing you.-allie

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Posted Wed Jul 13, 2011, 5:30pm
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With all excuses in place; restaurateurs should realize that coffee or espresso is the last thing that your customers have and if it sucks it leaves a bad impression.  So any reasonable, business minded, restaurant owner should put a priority on providing the best possible coffee, it is certainly more important than dessert which receives considerable more attention in the average restaurant.  I have eaten at most top restaurants in Toronto and not a single one comes to mind that produced an espresso worth drinking and very much to their peril in my opinion.

Please take heed restaurateurs.  Good coffee results in more satisfied customers.  The last impression is the one we most remember.

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