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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 9:44am
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I'm pretty sure that what CCC means by that copy is that it pairs well with desserts in the southern Italian tradition.  Milk based espresso beverages are regarded as breakfast items or espresso beverages for children (I.E. an accompaniment of pastries would be common).

I've only had La Forza once.  It cuts through milk better than something like Apollo (which is best as espresso).  It's excellent in a cappuccino.

CCC is solely a roaster, they don't have a shop.  Their regional training centers hold public cuppings on Friday mornings at 10 am; a wealth of coffee education is provided.  In return, they get cupping notes/feedback on their product from actual customers and John Q. Public.  Afterwards they let you pull your own shots on their equipment if you know what you're doing, and even if you don't know what you're doing they'll help to a certain degree.  In Raleigh/Durham, you get a tour of their roastery.

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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 10:18am
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aecletec Said:

It's criminal!

(So... maybe not lame. ;D)

Posted February 3, 2011 link

Well...by analogy that about answers the OP question ;)
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 10:33am
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ilcaffedio Said:

I'm pretty sure that what CCC means by that copy is that it pairs well with desserts in the southern Italian tradition.  Milk based espresso beverages are regarded as breakfast items or espresso beverages for children (I.E. an accompaniment of pastries would be common).

Posted February 3, 2011 link

We must be reading different copy then or my understanding of plain English is deficient (a distinct possiblity I have to admit).

http://counterculturecoffee.com/laforza

"the espresso enjoyed in local coffee bars is strong and sweet."

"This is the Southern Italian and Sicilian interpretation of the Mediterranean coffeehouse, where people gather to drink strong, sweet coffee."

How that might literally translate into "pairs well with desserts" escapes me.  Sweet is sweet.

CCC might be wrong in its assertion, but the copy is as plain as day.  Oh, the evils of sugar! :-D  Your post does give me an interesting idea, though.

--Jerome


Note to self: Call Hostess Cakes and talk to them about producing a espresso flavored Twinkie.
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 10:49am
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The only "lame" thing would be not to have your drink exactly as you like it, just because someone else might think it's "lame" or an incorrect way to have it!

If you want to add barbecue sauce to espresso and that's how you like it....just go ahead and enjoy it.
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 11:10am
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DavecUK Said:

If you want to add barbecue sauce to espresso and that's how you like it....just go ahead and enjoy it.

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That's ok...but what's the point of coming to a coffee geek site then???
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 11:17am
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Dave this isn't specifically directed at you, but It is possible to be overly politically correct.  That attitude reinforces the commodity coffee mindset and completely disregards the efforts of specialty coffee industry, and what we have strived to become.  It disregards the work of everyone from seed to cup.  

For example,
The farmer says: "Why bother if everyone is just going to add sugar, barbecue sauce, etc...  I'll get lazy with my farming, and just sell my crop to Folgers, or Nestle (they'll buy anything) and get a fraction of what I get paid from Direct Trade.  Sorry kids, we can't afford dinner tonight."

The specialty buyer/roaster says: "Why bother if everyone is just going to add sugar, barbecue sauce, etc...  No one's buying my coffee because it's more expensive than the cheap stuff that they can just add sugar and syrup.  I'm treading water, maybe all of this direct trade isn't worth the effort.  Another year of this, and I'll have to close the business.  Sorry kids, we can't afford dinner tonight."

The Barista says: "Why bother if everyone is just going to add sugar, barbecue sauce, etc... No need to perfect my skill to provide the best possible espresso beverage or customer service.  I'm the face of specialty coffee, and I'm a part of something which makes a positive difference in third world countries; but it's a lost cause it all tastes the same in the end if you add sugar or syrup.  I guess I'll go back to my measly under $10/hour wage because I'm unskilled, and I don't care.  Sorry kids, we can't afford dinner tonight."
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 11:39am
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DavecUK Said:

The only "lame" thing would be not to have your drink exactly as you like it, just because someone else might think it's "lame" or an incorrect way to have it!

If you want to add barbecue sauce to espresso and that's how you like it....just go ahead and enjoy it.

Posted February 3, 2011 link

Burger King's slogan: "Have it your Way".

Harvey's slogan: "Just the way you like it".
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 11:56am
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ilcaffedio Said:

I'm pretty sure that what CCC means by that copy is that it pairs well with desserts in the southern Italian tradition.  Milk based espresso beverages are regarded as breakfast items or espresso beverages for children (I.E. an accompaniment of pastries would be common).

I've only had La Forza once.  It cuts through milk better than something like Apollo (which is best as espresso).  It's excellent in a cappuccino.

CCC is solely a roaster, they don't have a shop.  Their regional training centers hold public cuppings on Friday mornings at 10 am; a wealth of coffee education is provided.  In return, they get cupping notes/feedback on their product from actual customers and John Q. Public.  Afterwards they let you pull your own shots on their equipment if you know what you're doing, and even if you don't know what you're doing they'll help to a certain degree.  In Raleigh/Durham, you get a tour of their roastery.

Disclaimer: I don't work for CCC.

Posted February 3, 2011 link

Well, since Italians do add sugar often enough, from the slightly ambiguous wording from CCC's post, I can't tell which way they mean it.  I have a bag of Forza on its way, my first time trying it, so I'll get to decide for myself how it fares on its own...  I really enjoyed my bag of Klatch House Espresso I just went through, and I thought I wouldn't since it was a "chocolate bomb milk" blend next to Belle....but it actually produced PHENOMINAL sweet & salty shots (as addicting as chocolate pretzels!) so I need to try Forza :)  I actually wasn't find of Apollo 3.0, the first one I tried...I found it boring next to Aficionado and Rustico.  I also find Toscano boring and one dimensional.

"Espresso beverages for children." That phrase really says it all, doesn't it? ;)

Pulling Rustico shots an an FB80.....that sounds like a fun day ;)
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 12:08pm
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ilcaffedio Said:

Dave this isn't specifically directed at you, but It is possible to be overly politically correct.  That attitude reinforces the commodity coffee mindset and completely disregards the efforts of specialty coffee industry, and what we have strived to become.  It disregards the work of everyone from seed to cup.  

For example,
The farmer says: "Why bother if everyone is just going to add sugar, barbecue sauce, etc...  I'll get lazy with my farming, and just sell my crop to Folgers, or Nestle (they'll buy anything) and get a fraction of what I get paid from Direct Trade.  Sorry kids, we can't afford dinner tonight."

The specialty buyer/roaster says: "Why bother if everyone is just going to add sugar, barbecue sauce, etc...  No one's buying my coffee because it's more expensive than the cheap stuff that they can just add sugar and syrup.  I'm treading water, maybe all of this direct trade isn't worth the effort.  Another year of this, and I'll have to close the business.  Sorry kids, we can't afford dinner tonight."

The Barista says: "Why bother if everyone is just going to add sugar, barbecue sauce, etc... No need to perfect my skill to provide the best possible espresso beverage or customer service.  I'm the face of specialty coffee, and I'm a part of something which makes a positive difference in third world countries; but it's a lost cause it all tastes the same in the end if you add sugar or syrup.  I guess I'll go back to my measly under $10/hour wage because I'm unskilled, and I don't care.  Sorry kids, we can't afford dinner tonight."

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There's a lot of truth in this.  Adding things to coffee...fine.  But what's the point of buying an expensive well crafted well blended drink if it's to obscure the flavor? Perhaps the proper solution is to buy something other than shots if you don't like the flavor of shots :)  It does effectively negate the whole point of specialty high end coffee.  Now I realize some people are talking about adding just a dab of sugar to offset a certain blend profile, but I think that's really not the origin of the thread, and requires a much more refined palate to appreciate in subtlety.  You'll find that person dosing sugar by a .001g scale or counting crystals as they drop them in every bit as OCD as the barista prepares the shot.

Most of the "sugar in espresso" we're talking about is the "I don't like it if it's not sweet enough" crowd, that really means "I don't like espresso normales, so I make it something different."  Maybe, for some, ordering the espresso instead of the cappuccino in the first place was every bit as much of pretension of looking "proper" instead of ordering the "lamer" drink they really wanted as some claim the barista would be doing by taking offense?  I mean, the barista prepares sweetened drinks...machiatto, cappuccino, latte, espresso con pana (some cafes), why not just order one of those drinks if you don't like the espressos?  It doesn't make it wrong for someone to like it with sugar, but I do also believe that there's a fair number of people who order espressos that don't actually like espressos, but order it because they believe it gives them status or creates an image that they're "in with the culture" in enjoying the "pure" or "more refined" drink.  "I'm tough, I can handle it!" (*Gets out sugar packets...)  Sort of a macho thing.  It would be interesting to see how many males order espressos then try to make it palatable to them by adding sugar, versus how many females do that rather than just buying the sweetened milk drink they really wanted without fear of looking "weak" :)
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Posted Thu Feb 3, 2011, 12:23pm
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TheMadTamper Said:

Well, since Italians do add sugar often enough, from the slightly ambiguous wording from CCC's post, I can't tell which way they mean it.  I have a bag of Forza on its way, my first time trying it, so I'll get to decide for myself how it fares on its own...  I really enjoyed my bag of Klatch House Espresso I just went through, and I thought I wouldn't since it was a "chocolate bomb milk" blend next to Belle....but it actually produced PHENOMINAL sweet & salty shots (as addicting as chocolate pretzels!) so I need to try Forza :)  I actually wasn't find of Apollo 3.0, the first one I tried...I found it boring next to Aficionado and Rustico.  I also find Toscano boring and one dimensional.

Posted February 3, 2011 link

I think you'll like Forza then.  It's probably going to be a little more sensitive to brew temperature.  I liked Apollo in it's earlier versions, though I haven't had it lately.  Aficionado, and Rustico are underrated, I wish more shops would use them.  Coffee and Crema in Greenville, SC (excellent, btw) uses Rustico for decaf.    Toscano is my least favorite among those mentioned, but it is the most common CCC offering used for espresso in shops around ATL.

TheMadTamper Said:

"Espresso beverages for children." That phrase really says it all, doesn't it? ;)

Posted February 3, 2011 link

Yes it does! :-D

TheMadTamper Said:

Pulling Rustico shots an an FB80.....that sounds like a fun day ;)

Posted February 3, 2011 link

 
Along with a Robur E, and the latest crop from Aida Batille and others, I highly recommend it!  I had Apollo before they had a name for it... ;-)
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