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Posted Thu Feb 12, 2009, 3:27am
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MarkPrince Said:

IMO no, they won't.

Buy fresh roasted. Use. Buy more fresh roasted. Or roast at home.

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I'll second that.

Though, i have had decent (not great, but decent) results when freezing coffee within 2hours off the roast.  Obviously this wouldn't be possible with freighted coffee.

 
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Posted Thu Feb 12, 2009, 6:25am
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Thanks for all the suggestions.  I will wait on the sideline while other geeks run the above mentioned study.  For now, I think I will just pay the extra price of shipping and spend the time enjoying the espresso.  The frozen bags will need to be made casualties of freezing.
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Posted Thu Feb 12, 2009, 5:00pm
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Real data on freezing coffee as opposed to opinions: http://www.home-barista.com/store-coffee-in-freezer.html

 
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Posted Thu Feb 12, 2009, 8:33pm
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JVBorella Said:

Real data on freezing coffee as opposed to opinions: http://www.home-barista.com/store-coffee-in-freezer.html

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Maybe it goes without saying based on my previous response, but I don't agree with the findings in that test, as admirable as the effort is.

Crunching numbers doesn't always have a correlation or relation to taste. And I'd like to point out, the bulk of that experiment is based on subjective taste as well - in other words, opinions. Lots of science and number crunching too, but sometimes, you can throw too much science at something that's better done with experienced tasters alone. Otherwise, the CoE would just be run by hooking up a bunch of machines to the brewed coffee, and "spitting" out the results.

Based on taste, and based on doing freezing experiments on my own and with some experienced coffee guys in town here in Vancouver, I am not a proponent of freezing roasted coffee.

If someone wants reasonably good coffee and espresso in the home, your options are buy fresh roasted, use in a reasonable time, then buy some more fresh roasted. Or roast your own.

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Posted Thu Feb 12, 2009, 11:59pm
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IMO freezing roasted coffee beans is acceptable when the beans are used to pull espresso. Since an espresso brings out the main flavor of the bean, a little loss of the main flavor due to freezing isn't that detrimental because an espresso has such a concentrated flavor. Because an espresso does a poor job bringing out the delicate flavors of a bean, if freezing beans reduces the delicate flavors, it won't be very noticeable in an espresso anyway.

When making press pot coffee there is a lot more focus on all the delicate flavors, so if freezing beans reduces those delicate flavors it will most definitely be noticeable when making press pot coffee.
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Posted Fri Feb 13, 2009, 7:31am
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MarkPrince Said:

Based on taste, and based on doing freezing experiments on my own and with some experienced coffee guys in town here in Vancouver, I am not a proponent of freezing roasted coffee.

If someone wants reasonably good coffee and espresso in the home, your options are buy fresh roasted, use in a reasonable time, then buy some more fresh roasted. Or roast your own.

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According to you. I've been vacuum bagging & freezing roasted coffee for 1.5 years & I am a proponent of freezing coffee. Used within a reasonable amount of time & frozen properly I've found that the flavor holds up just find as have many others. To each his own.

 
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Posted Fri Feb 13, 2009, 7:40am
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I'm really happy that my palate is not developed enough to taste the difference between previously frozen and totally fresh!  I get 5 lb bags from gimme! and split into quart mason jars then freeze.  I've never been disappointed with the results.

 
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Posted Fri Feb 13, 2009, 5:51pm
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JVBorella Said:

Real data on freezing coffee as opposed to opinions: http://www.home-barista.com/store-coffee-in-freezer.html

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"real" data from Ken Fox ( who claims that 14g is an absolute maximum because that's how the Italians do it ), and a couple of his undefined friends that nobody's heard of, but he assures us they "love espresso" (but still don't know how to make the stuff). Even with a palate that unrefined, one of Ken's buddies was still able to taste the difference.

I can't really say that that's damning evidence right there...
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Posted Fri Feb 13, 2009, 6:10pm
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BrainInAJar Said:

"real" data from Ken Fox ( who claims that 14g is an absolute maximum because that's how the Italians do it ), and a couple of his undefined friends that nobody's heard of, but he assures us they "love espresso" (but still don't know how to make the stuff). Even with a palate that unrefined, one of Ken's buddies was still able to taste the difference.

I can't really say that that's damning evidence right there...

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Perhaps you can refer us to more complete study on the subject that you have conducted???

 
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Posted Sat Feb 14, 2009, 12:00am
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Even vacuum-sealed flash-frozen food goes completely bad after a while. To say that there isn't a significant difference between fresh roasted and freezer stored coffee is naive.

And one "study" with far too many uncontrolled variables is hardly proof otherwise. The lack of a study performed by individuals who are against freezing roasted coffee doesn't make that one flawed study any more valid or accurate.
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