Posted Fri May 23, 2008, 6:15am Subject: Help settle an argument
An educated friend of mine asked for an "expresso" whilst round at mine for dinner the other day. He maintained that in parts of Italy that is the accepted pronunciation, but I reckon he was trying to cover up his ignorance. I even showed him my licence plate (says "There is no 'x' in 'espresso'") but he was adamant that he was right
Iīve never been to itally and the languages are also done in everyday life, many people arround the world pronounce and write it that way, king of englishitalian word, that is, by the way, wrong from the "original".
You could ask your friend: "accepted by who?": "itīs accepted in itally", itīs not that educated answer
Posted Fri May 23, 2008, 9:38am Subject: Re: Help settle an argument
SJM Said:
I believe that if you were trying to use the Italian pronunciation, you would say it as if you were saying "etc" ("etcetera"). I don't quite know how to type that so that you get the phonetics of it, but it would be sort of like "etcspresso"...
Posted Fri May 23, 2008, 3:28pm Subject: Re: Help settle an argument
I believe the ancestor of espresso was coffee brewed in a steam pressured brewer at some World fair.
This brewer was supposed to dispense coffee at rapid rate for the time. This gives some credibility for the name espresso being related to speed or express.
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Posted Fri May 23, 2008, 4:28pm Subject: Re: Help settle an argument
PJK Said:
I believe the ancestor of espresso was coffee brewed in a steam pressured brewer at some World fair.
This brewer was supposed to dispense coffee at rapid rate for the time. This gives some credibility for the name espresso being related to speed or express.
I recall reading the same thing, but cannot remember where. Here is an interesting quote from wiki on the subject:
"Etymology and usage of the term http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espresso The origin of the term "espresso" is the subject of considerable debate. Although some Anglo-American dictionaries simply refer to "pressed-out" (rooted in the Latin origin of the word), "espresso", much like the English word "express", conveys the sense of "just for you" and "quickly," both of which can be related to the method of espresso preparation. In Portugal espresso is called "Bica". The Italian spelling of the word is not "expresso", though that form is accepted by some English-language dictionaries (e.g. Merriam Webster).
In an Italian coffee bar, as in much of Europe, ordering "a coffee" (un caffč in Italian), means ordering an espresso. In France, the term café is normally used as well, but the French café is usually dark roasted."
Posted Fri May 23, 2008, 11:37pm Subject: Re: Help settle an argument
Itīs quite hard to know, and donīt know if it makes sense to "worry" so much.
Base on a small research Iīve done, I belive itīs more related to the way the coffe is served, not the brewing method, even though you can consider it as part of that.
But, hey PJK! Where did you get that info? What is "some Wordl fair"?
Posted Sat May 24, 2008, 1:57pm Subject: Re: Help settle an argument
Well my first thought was Mark Pendergrast's UNCOMMON GROUNDS but I checked and that wasn't it. It could be Ken David's Espresso book but I have no access to it right now so I can't check. I did find a link which does mention the Paris Exposition of 1855. That could be what I remembered as "some world fair".
Itīs quite hard to know, and donīt know if it makes sense to "worry" so much.
Base on a small research Iīve done, I belive itīs more related to the way the coffe is served, not the brewing method, even though you can consider it as part of that.
But, hey PJK! Where did you get that info? What is "some Wordl fair"?
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