pstam Senior Member Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,090 Location: Beijing Expertise: Professional
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Posted Sun May 18, 2008, 10:58am Subject: I hope I am wrong, but it seems so ......
Recently, I visited several coffee websites and forums in Taiwan, and only a couple of post for 2008.
Considering the situation in other websites, it seems that more and more people are going to give up to pay attention to the coffee and espresso drinks.
It is a bad news, and I do hope that I am wrong.
Peter in Beijing ------------------- http://www.kaffa.cn/ ------------------- I have got a new website, just started to establish. If you have any question or suggestion, let me know and it is mostly appreciated.
Posted Tue May 20, 2008, 11:53pm Subject: Re: I hope I am wrong, but it seems so ......
I have an interesting true story that happened to me. The company I work for sells a lot of tools to Asia. An engineer from Taiwan visited the company I work for here in California, and I told him how I liked espresso. He told me that next time he would visit California he would bring me beans from Taiwan. Sure enough a few months later he came back and hands me a bag of Starbucks Kenya beans from Taiwan. Huh! This engineer actually thought that Starbucks was a Taiwanese company. These beans were two months after the "best used by" date. So must be 8 months after roast. To be nice I pulled some shots with these stale 'Taiwanese' beans which had carbon taste and very little flavor. Pretty funny.
pstam Senior Member Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,090 Location: Beijing Expertise: Professional
Espresso: ECM, SAN MARCO, EURO 2000 Grinder: MAZZER Vac Pot: YES Drip: YES Roaster: YES, HOME STYLE
Posted Wed May 21, 2008, 7:16am Subject: Re: I hope I am wrong, but it seems so ......
GaryH Said:
I have an interesting true story that happened to me. The company I work for sells a lot of tools to Asia. An engineer from Taiwan visited the company I work for here in California, and I told him how I liked espresso. He told me that next time he would visit California he would bring me beans from Taiwan. Sure enough a few months later he came back and hands me a bag of Starbucks Kenya beans from Taiwan. Huh! This engineer actually thought that Starbucks was a Taiwanese company. These beans were two months after the "best used by" date. So must be 8 months after roast. To be nice I pulled some shots with these stale 'Taiwanese' beans which had carbon taste and very little flavor. Pretty funny.
Thank you for your making us laugh, and that is good for our health. :)
In many cases, you can always have nothing to say.
Peter in Beijing ------------------- http://www.kaffa.cn/ ------------------- I have got a new website, just started to establish. If you have any question or suggestion, let me know and it is mostly appreciated.
Posted Sat May 24, 2008, 4:12pm Subject: Re: I hope I am wrong, but it seems so ......
It is up to us Coffeegeeks and Coffeesnobs to educate the coffee-ignorant world of the joys of freshly roasted and brewed coffee.......................... ........................methinks it will be a long battle when the bulk of the world accepts less the mediocrity in their coffee fix!!
Posted Sat May 24, 2008, 10:00pm Subject: Re: I hope I am wrong, but it seems so ......
greeneye Said:
It is up to us Coffeegeeks and Coffeesnobs to educate the coffee-ignorant world of the joys of freshly roasted and brewed coffee.......................... ........................methinks it will be a long battle when the bulk of the world accepts less the mediocrity in their coffee fix!!
Not going to happen... Not to any great extent and not in the foreseeable future. Why? When it comes to food, the masses thrive on mediocrity. Read the food labels on the majority of packaged items at the store and Google the ones you don't know. The vast majority of Americans have little knowledge of what is in the food they eat, where it is from, nor what some of the ingredients are for. A number of them (colorings, flavorings, and preservatives) are there to make mediocre foods taste and look better and last longer to endure inefficient shipping and storage techniques.
Heck! Budweiser is made with RICE for cryin' out loud! Look what passes for cheese! Have you seen the price of Folger's, ad how fast it leaves the shelves at the market?
Literally.. my two dogs and three cats eat better-quality food than most of the people I know or see shopping.
Battle to get people interested in better quality coffee/ We STILL have a better chance of finding WMD's in Iraq. ;-)
pstam Senior Member Joined: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 2,090 Location: Beijing Expertise: Professional
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Posted Sun May 25, 2008, 5:46am Subject: Re: I hope I am wrong, but it seems so ......
frcn Said:
Not going to happen... Not to any great extent and not in the foreseeable future. Why? When it comes to food, the masses thrive on mediocrity. Read the food labels on the majority of packaged items at the store and Google the ones you don't know. The vast majority of Americans have little knowledge of what is in the food they eat, where it is from, nor what some of the ingredients are for. A number of them (colorings, flavorings, and preservatives) are there to make mediocre foods taste and look better and last longer to endure inefficient shipping and storage techniques.
Heck! Budweiser is made with RICE for cryin' out loud! Look what passes for cheese! Have you seen the price of Folger's, ad how fast it leaves the shelves at the market?
Literally.. my two dogs and three cats eat better-quality food than most of the people I know or see shopping.
Battle to get people interested in better quality coffee/ We STILL have a better chance of finding WMD's in Iraq. ;-)
I suppose the problem came from the "customers' education", made by that big company for burgers.
There are much better burgers and it is very easy to make, even ours. Or Subway can be better. The ingridients may have some problem, and you spent less time for eating. Chinese people would consider eating as the first important thing to do.
Why there is not better burgers in the market right now?
Some Chinese people are learning from that big company, but considering their poor burger as their standards. Don't laugh, it is true. The real business men in china are still almost none.
But, why no better burgers from US?
Peter in Beijing ------------------- http://www.kaffa.cn/ ------------------- I have got a new website, just started to establish. If you have any question or suggestion, let me know and it is mostly appreciated.
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