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Posted Tue May 17, 2005, 7:02am
Subject: Re: Why do many CoffeeGeeks dislike drip coffee?
 

explorateur Said:

i've noticed while browsing the espresso sections of this forum that some people don't care at all for drip coffee.  why is that?

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In fact, the brewed coffee is also staple on our coffee menu too.  I do not think it will disappear, because it is always the choice for some clients.  And, I do not really believe that it will loose all of clients at all.

I enjoy the espresso and drip coffee in different ways.  For espresso, it is so strong and tasty.  I can be satisfied by espresso and its rich tastes.  While for drip coffee, I like it too because I can feel many different tastes from one origin beans to the other.  For example, I can feel the very pleasent sour from the Harar beans of Ethiopia.  If we make it as espresso, I do not think that we can have the same taste.  It is mainly because the espresso can draw the tastes from the very deep of the beans and therefore the tastes are not two much different.

Maybe my description is not very clear, but it is my feeling.

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Posted Tue May 17, 2005, 9:40am
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I like drip coffee...No cream...No sugar...Just make it black...
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Posted Tue May 17, 2005, 2:12pm
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thanks for the replies.  good to hear that many espresso drinkers don't turn their noses at well-made drip.  i hope some people who don't drink drip will respond with their thoughts


pstam Said:

In fact, the brewed coffee is also staple on our coffee menu too.  I do not think it will disappear, because it is always the choice for some clients.  And, I do not really believe that it will loose all of clients at all.

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obviously drip coffee has its place in market.  my question was concerning individual coffeegeeks. :)
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Posted Wed May 18, 2005, 4:32am
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explorateur Said:

obviously drip coffee has its place in market.  my question was concerning individual coffeegeeks. :)

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Yes.  It seems that the drip coffee will have more market if they can be made very well.  But, this is really hard to do for those commercial coffee shops, but easier for those relaxing coffee shops, where the clients can be patient enough to wait longer for their coffee.

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Posted Wed May 18, 2005, 11:59am
Subject: Re: Why do many CoffeeGeeks dislike drip coffee?
 

Maybe conditionning ... I've had bad espresso but by far the worst "coffee horrors" have been of the drip type ... tepid liquid that turns almost grey when you add milk to it. I've also seen coffee place take a coffee pot almost empty that's been sitting on a burner for god knows how long ... and just dump a new "load" of brewed coffee in it ... thereby creating an entirely new pot of bad coffee.

When done properly, with good coffee, with the right temp and the right amount of coffee ... it can be very good.

However, given the choice between a good drip and a good cappa, for me the choice is always the cappa.
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Posted Wed May 18, 2005, 3:46pm
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pstam Said:

While for drip coffee, I like it too because I can feel many different tastes from one origin beans to the other.  For example, I can feel the very pleasent sour from the Harar beans of Ethiopia.  If we make it as espresso, I do not think that we can have the same taste.

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I agree that a brewed coffee extracts different (and otherwise missed) flavors than pressure-extracted espresso (90% of the coffee I drink).  But these are not the only 2 methods to compare.  IMO, press gives all the benefits of drip, but offers more control of the final cup--in my case, I like the thick muddy quality that I get with a finer grind and shorter immersion.  For guests who like a cleaner cup, I will brew the vac.  For me, the only benefit of drip is that it requires no particular attention to brew a 10-cup pot.
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Posted Wed May 18, 2005, 4:17pm
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When I feel like having something other than espresso or non-espresso drinking friends are over, I often get out my 20 plus year old French press. But just as often it's an old three part aluminum drip pot that I bought at a garage sale in the 70's. With good coffee it brews a great cup, though it is also what I am used to. I've wondered what temp it is actually brewing at when you boil the water, dump it in the top and it gets a chance to drip through the tiny holes. But I do love the simplicity -- no electricity, no filters and you can pack it for camping!
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Posted Wed May 18, 2005, 6:35pm
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heatgunroast Said:

IMO, press gives all the benefits of drip, but offers more control of the final cup--in my case, I like the thick muddy quality that I get with a finer grind and shorter immersion.  For guests who like a cleaner cup, I will brew the vac.  For me, the only benefit of drip is that it requires no particular attention to brew a 10-cup pot.

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Press is really the simplest method of brewing coffee, and fully controled by yourself.  In general understanding, it need rather coarse grinding and longer extraction time.  IMO, its ground cannot be too fine because it may destroy the taste even reduce the extraction time.  If the ground is coarse properly, in 4-6 minutes, you will have very good cup.


kymchee8 Said:

I've wondered what temp it is actually brewing at when you boil the water, dump it in the top and it gets a chance to drip through the tiny holes. But I do love the simplicity -- no electricity, no filters and you can pack it for camping!

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Not only the temperature, but also the coffee ground, water, extraction time may be different for each of the beans.  That is why I think it is difficult to make them at the best quality.

In commercial shops, one has to make all the coffee in a very short time, or even before they are served.  In this case, one use all the same machine, same water, same temperature and everything same.  This can make only averaged quality of drip coffee.  It is never the best.

If in a relaxing coffee shop, one prepare the beans roasted at the best, but different stages for each beans or blend; using different tools and therefore grinding differently, and extract in different time.  For each kind of beans or blend, one has to know how to make it at the best, so that its typical tastes can be show at the best.  So, it is also a time cost work to know all the best conditions.

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Posted Thu May 19, 2005, 9:03am
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i don't like espresso, i much prefer drip.

that's the nice thing about coffee which people at times forget: there is no "best" way, but rather how you like it.
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Posted Thu May 19, 2005, 4:55pm
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I go back and forth.  Sometimes I will drink drip and then back to only espresso.  And the sometimes press and vac pot.  Guess that is why I love coffee!
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