coffeeshone Senior Member Joined: 29 Nov 2011 Posts: 34 Location: NY, NY Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013, 8:02am Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
Wow, I guess my dosing must be wayyy more than Jman, but I've never gotten near 19 double shots out of a 12oz bag. I've gotten pretty good at dialing in the grind within a shot or two. I'd say I get about 10 shots from a 12oz bag. HWen I way using a triple filter, I way getting about 8 shots from a bag. If I have a few people over, we'll rip through most of a bag in one sitting. I wish more places offered a 1.5 pound or Kilo (2.2lb) option. Seems like for those of us with good home machines and a serious habit that'd be a more appropriate amount. I've gotten the 5lb bag before. I dont like freezing the beans, and I just frankly dont want to drink the same coffee for 3 weeks to get through it. 12 ounces sucks, it's too little to really dial it in and get a flow going, you know?
Chanty Senior Member Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 137 Location: Milwaukee, WI Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013, 12:00pm Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
I agree 12 oz. is nothing. I've talked to several roasters as of late, and got the same response, "12oz. is what most roasters use, that's just what we use". Makes no sense.... Geez, roasters out there hearing this? I think you know your very here and there people (that you forget) & the customers who keep reordering over the years. Maybe they can't order constantly due to the cost of $15 and up for 1 lb. of beans plus shipping, but they still keep coming back. Do them a favor and offer 1 1/2 lbs. That would be great!!!! For me I could get by with ordering 1 1/2 lb. 2x per month & not have to go out for coffee runs locally (and not be as happy). I wonder how many roasters out there will read this & off this? What would it hurt them? The customer gets what they want & they obviously pay more for the additional 1/2 lb..
Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013, 12:10pm Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
Chanty Said:
I agree 12 oz. is nothing. I've talked to several roasters as of late, and got the same response, "12oz. is what most roasters use, that's just what we use". Makes no sense.... Geez, roasters out there hearing this? I think you know your very here and there people (that you forget) & the customers who keep reordering over the years. Maybe they can't order constantly due to the cost of $15 and up for 1 lb. of beans plus shipping, but they still keep coming back. Do them a favor and offer 1 1/2 lbs. That would be great!!!! For me I could get by with ordering 1 1/2 lb. 2x per month & not have to go out for coffee runs locally (and not be as happy). I wonder how many roasters out there will read this & off this? What would it hurt them? The customer gets what they want & they obviously pay more for the additional 1/2 lb..
I may have missed something, but why don't you purchase 2 12oz bags? :-)
BTW, sweet maria offers 1 pound bags of roasted coffee at a decent price, if it is of any help. They also have a subscription to get 2# or roasted coffee every other week, but I am not sure it is specifically meant for espresso.
Chanty Senior Member Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 137 Location: Milwaukee, WI Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013, 12:24pm Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
12oz. is not really a good deal. You pay almost as much for 12oz. as you do for 16oz. That's pretty much why. No, unless I want to try a certain roaster, and they only sell the 12 oz. bags, I may try it. I ALWAYS keep my eyes open for the 1 lb.. To me, 12 oz. is not optimum. I used to buy 2- 1b. bags from one roaster. Still do on and off--as he is one of my favorites. Come to think of it, when I buy two pounds at a time from this roaster, the 2nd pound is always great despite not freezing it and despite not opening the bag for at least 10 days after receiving it. I'm not going to go out & buy a small freezer so I can freeze my coffee beans. Our fridge is really old (20+ years), but still working. I just wasn't happy with the last episode of frozen beans.
CMIN Senior Member Joined: 14 Jun 2012 Posts: 500 Location: South FL Expertise: I like coffee
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013, 4:13pm Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
MatP Said:
I may have missed something, but why don't you purchase 2 12oz bags? :-)
BTW, sweet maria offers 1 pound bags of roasted coffee at a decent price, if it is of any help. They also have a subscription to get 2# or roasted coffee every other week, but I am not sure it is specifically meant for espresso.
Except almost all of those offering 12oz bags charge same or usually over what others offering 1lb bags do and generally have higher shipping. I've ordered from a lot of places. I pretty much only stick to the ones offering 1lb options, just way easier to track and for our use for the woman and I. Like I've ordering some various beans from Fair Mountain (their espresso is at competition right now) where they do 2lbs for $27 shipped (got bali blue and nicaragua right now)... whereas almost all places I used to order 12oz bags from charged $15-20 per bag plus shipping. I wouldn't mind if the beans were beyond good and easily stood out, their good don't get me wrong, but not worth the premium over other offerings, and I've noticed that most of the ones offering smaller packages seem to have higher shipping then 1lb orders I've done for whatever reason even from similar locations.
Sure I could save more doing 5lb =+ orders but don't feel like drinking that much coffee of the same type and no room in my freezer anyway.
Coffeenoobie Senior Member Joined: 11 Dec 2011 Posts: 2,314 Location: PNW Expertise: I like coffee
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013, 5:00pm Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
I think the 12oz bag is to obscure the per pound price. The price looks good till you realize the amount is so small. And I agree the more expensive places often have bad shipping deals and don't bother disclose the shipping costs before you order.
And Chanty, no one is suggesting you buy a chest freezer- I doubt you would come out a head on that cost per pound. But a frost free freezer is not recommended for long term bean storage and if that is what you did then I suggest that is why you failed.
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Chanty Senior Member Joined: 26 May 2005 Posts: 137 Location: Milwaukee, WI Expertise: I love coffee
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Posted Fri Mar 15, 2013, 5:07pm Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
I kept the beans in the freezer (as the roaster told me to) for about 1 1/2 weeks. I'm sure that is not considered long term. I don't even keep food in our freezer very long before using...
coffeeshone Senior Member Joined: 29 Nov 2011 Posts: 34 Location: NY, NY Expertise: I love coffee
Posted Sat Mar 16, 2013, 4:26pm Subject: Re: Very expensive venture trying new espresso blends
True. There are a lot of roasters that I'd like to try, or those that I've tried and really like that only offer 12 oz bags. I just won't buy from them. They charge 6 -8 dollars for shipping on top of that, which is pretty rough deal. You pay $15 or $16 for each bag + shipping and you're looking at nearly $40 when all is said an done for 1.5 pounds of coffee. I think if they offered a size in between, a lot of these roasters would have to offer a much better deal. Who orders one 12 oz bag and pays shipping? Not very economical...
I have a lot of retail options living in NYC where I can buy without shipping, but even still I much prefer to get a couple pounds and get to know a batch of coffee. Trying different dosing, shot volume, etc.. There are a lot of different variables that make for a different espresso shot if you can work with a blend for a little while. For me, 2lbs is perfect, takes about a week to 10 days to get through. Just when its fading, I'm on the end of it.
The reason many roasters use 12 oz. bags is because the US Postal Service, Fed EX, et al mandate that anything over 16 oz. ships as 2 pounds, i.e. they round up to the next pound. So 16 oz. of coffee + bag + shipping box + tape + label = a 2 pound shipping rate even though it is only a few ounces over 1 pound. It is you, the consumer, who ultimately pays for shipping.
At Len's Espresso Blends we ship 16 oz. bags knowing that our shipping cost is for 2 pounds. Also, we have found that we can fit 19 oz. of beans in our bags and still get a good seal and these 19 oz bags ship at the same cost as 16 oz. bags. Hence, we give our customers their choice of either 16 oz. or 19 oz. bags at the SAME shipping costs...but that cost is higher than if it were a 12 oz. bag.
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