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Posted Mon Aug 20, 2012, 11:57am
Subject: do i need to add robusta to my java to get a good espresso ?
 

hi there,

well my question is in the title : "do i need to add robusta to my java to get a good espresso ?"

i was talking to a coffee bean wholesaler today and apparantly robusta is required to get the 'crema' on the top of the espresso, and an espresso made of 100% aribica just doesnt taste right and you dont get the crema.

i dont have an espresso machine so i cant test this out for myself but i wondered what peoples thoughts are ?

a second question, but related, would be, would you recommend an espresso made of only Java 100% arabica ? if not, what would you add to Java to make it good espresso ?

ta !
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Posted Mon Aug 20, 2012, 2:32pm
Subject: Re: do i need to add robusta to my java to get a good espresso ?
 

  1. Nope.

  2. Yep.

I've had very few espressos with any robusta content, and I've had a lot of damn good espressos. That is to say, espresso by no means needs robusta to be delicious and rich with crema.
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Posted Mon Aug 20, 2012, 2:43pm
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SteveRhinehart Said:

Nope.

Yep.

I've had very few espressos with any robusta content, and I've had a lot of damn good espressos. That is to say, espresso by no means needs robusta to be delicious and rich with crema.

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interesting thanks !
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Posted Sun Aug 26, 2012, 10:44am
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bluemountainlover Said:

do i need to add robusta to my java to get a good espresso?

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Good lord, NO!

bluemountainlover Said:

would you recommend an espresso made of only Java 100% arabica?

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Heck yes!

 
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 12:05am
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yes,you need.

 
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 7:40am
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A blend of arabica and robusta helps to easily get more crema, simply because (even older) robsta releases more carbon dioxide during extraction, but it's nor required. Also, robusta adds body to your espresso. But you can brew excellent espresso with 100% arabica.

Besides, even though crema is a sign of proper extraction, it's mostly looks and only a wee bit taste. So, one shouldn't overestimate the importance of loads of crema.

 
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 9:51am
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anney Said:

yes,you need.

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And would you like to elaborate as to why?

 
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:54am
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Of course the good doctor Josuma asserts one needs some robusta to get real espresso.  But, I think, this definition is stuck on espresso as it originally was in Italy.  More recently we have discovered one can have excellent espresso with plenty of crema with all arabica beans.  Just today I drew some shots from 100 percent Yemen beans that were almost all crema.  Other good sources for crema are Brazils, especially dry processed, but any will do, and Monsooned Malabar.  My own experience is that with good fresh roasted beans, I get lots of crema regardless of country of origin.  I did try some premium robusta to add to my own blends and I didn't care for it much.

 
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Posted Mon Aug 27, 2012, 10:57pm
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RichardCoffee Said:

...  My own experience is that with good fresh roasted beans, I get lots of crema regardless of country of origin ...

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Since crema is an emulsion of coffee oils and water that forms tiny bubbles around carbon dioxide released during extraction, fresh beans are more likely to produce a fine crema, because they haven't degased so much yet.

 
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