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jeanboucher
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Posted Wed Jul 28, 2004, 5:25am
Subject: Re: Paradise Roasters
 

More then 2 weeks old coffee beans

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Posted Wed Jul 28, 2004, 8:05am
Subject: Re: Paradise Roasters
 

Paradise Roasters - just received my second order.  This time I ordered the Indian Mysore Nuggets and  Espresso Decaf.  Ordered on Wednesday, roasted on Thursday and received on Monday.  Not bad.

The Mysore is excellent .
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Posted Wed Jul 28, 2004, 8:24am
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Unfortunately, shipping costs are higher and transit times longer to the West Coast. For either Paradise or Intelligentsia, a 2lb. package via UPS ground shipping or USPS will cost me around $7.
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Posted Thu Aug 19, 2004, 9:59am
Subject: Re: Paradise Roasters
 

I just received mine today and will report back. Cost me $25 for 2 lbs delivered. I figure I'm going to pay at least $10 /lb locally for potentially inferior beans so I think it's worth the stretch.

Joe
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Posted Mon Sep 6, 2004, 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Paradise Roasters
 

I just got a pound from Paradise. To be honest, I found it a little dissapointing.

The roast is light (as has been amply pointed out), and I prefer darker roasts generally, so that may be part of my problem, but there were a few other nagging details I had trouble with:

- The roast date isn't marked anywhere on the package
- It was shipped in a priority mail envelope instead of a box (less protection for the beans)
- Its a 14oz, not an actual pound (they state this on their site, but still)

Compared to Black Cat or Hairbender, I found it missing a lot of the body and depth I was expecting. Hairbender wasn't my style either, too bright, but you could tell there was an enormous amount of complexity in the layers of the taste; I just couldn't find it anywhere in the Paradise espresso. Also - (maybe related) crema was somewhat lacking compared to what I was able to get with week-old Intelligentsia beans. I can't shake the impression that the beans just smell, taste, and act a bit stale.

If you do end up giving this stuff a try (I'd love to hear other impressions), much cheaper shipping is available on their site directly.

Hope this doesn't qualify as a rant - certainly don't intend it that way, just curious about others' experiences.
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Posted Tue Sep 7, 2004, 8:31am
Subject: Re: Paradise Roasters
 

Hello, This is Miguel from Paradise Roasters. I have been watching this thread for a while and thought I would chime in and answer a few things. First of all thank you to all who have tried our espresso and other coffees. I am sorry to those who were not completely satisfied. On the issue of shipping, we ship all 1 bag orders in USPS flat rate envelopes because it is the cheapest and fastest way to ship that size order. All orders larger than that we ship USPS ground packeged in a box unless requested otherwise. We can ship USPS priority or UPS for those who want ultimate freshness, but you do need to request this option either by phone ordering or by entering you specific instructions in the comments box on our online order form. Our coffee is packaged in 14 oz bags the reason for this is that it is almost impoosible to fit 16 oz of darker roast coffees into the bags we use. So we chose to make all of our coffees 14 oz for consistent packaging. We have not been putting roast dates on our packaging, but we roast everything to order and no coffee is more than 24 hours out of the roaster when it is shipped. 95% of the time the coffee is no more than 4-5 hours out of the roaster at the time we ship it. But if Roast dates are important to people we can consider adding them to our packaging. As for the sensorial expericance of our espresso. Yes it is very light, so those who are used to dark espressos may be a bit shocked when they first try our blend. Some have welcomed this change in taste while lovers of  darker roasts may not find it exactly to their liking. I am surprised to hear crema production was a problem for some as we typically find this blend to produce a very nice crema. Thank You again everyone who has tried our coffees. If any one has any questions I will be more than happy to answer them.
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Posted Tue Sep 7, 2004, 2:50pm
Subject: Re: Paradise Roasters
 

Miguel -

First off - I sincerely - and a bit sheepishly - apologize for my post. I regretted it as soon as it was up there, as (of course) the first person to come to with this impression is you.

I've continued to work with the espresso roast, and like it more now. It is a quite different taste than I am used to, much more subtle flavors.


MiguelM Said:

On the issue of shipping, we ship all 1 bag orders in USPS flat rate envelopes because it is the cheapest and fastest way to ship that size order.

Posted September 7, 2004 link

OK - this may be a perception problem then. I opened the envelope with a comparitive bias against the beans, since the packaging was less professional than I am used to. The package did arrive quickly, so I appreciate that.

MiguelM Said:

Our coffee is packaged in 14 oz bags the reason for this is that it is almost impoosible to fit 16 oz of darker roast coffees into the bags we use. So we chose to make all of our coffees 14 oz for consistent packaging.

Posted September 7, 2004 link

I understand the need for consistency - maybe its a real cost issue to use two different kinds of packaging. If its not, then I would make sure that you standardize on 16 oz. It makes it much easier to compare cost across vendors. Unless you're buying Lavazza or something, but I digress.

MiguelM Said:

We have not been putting roast dates on our packaging, but we roast everything to order and no coffee is more than 24 hours out of the roaster when it is shipped. 95% of the time the coffee is no more than 4-5 hours out of the roaster at the time we ship it. But if Roast dates are important to people we can consider adding them to our packaging.

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For me, roast dates are important. If it wasn't for your statement above, I'd have assumed that beans sealed in a bag with no roast dates are roasted in big batches and sitting on a shelf somewhere. A date stamp on the label would be a great confidence builder, at least for me.

MiguelM Said:

As for the sensorial expericance of our espresso. Yes it is very light, so those who are used to dark espressos may be a bit shocked when they first try our blend. Some have welcomed this change in taste while lovers of  darker roasts may not find it exactly to their liking. I am surprised to hear crema production was a problem for some as we typically find this blend to produce a very nice crema.

Posted September 7, 2004 link

The problem here was grind. Paradise needed a much finer grind than anything else I've used to get the 27 second shot, and the attendant crema. This may be characteristic of all light beans, not sure.

I really appreciate your response, and I do apologize for using a public forum to discuss what I likely should have put in an email in the first place. I hope this post clears everything up for all.

-e.
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Posted Wed Sep 8, 2004, 12:49pm
Subject: USPS Priority
 

zakglass Said:

OK - this may be a perception problem then. I opened the envelope with a comparitive bias against the beans, since the packaging was less professional than I am used to. The package did arrive quickly, so I appreciate that.

Posted September 7, 2004 link

The USPS Flatrate Priority envelope seems to be a decent shipment vehicle for small roasters and coffeegeeks,  because it gets the fresh-roasted beans to us quickly & frugally.
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Posted Fri Sep 17, 2004, 10:32am
Subject: Re: Paradise Roasters
 

MiguelM Said:

As for the sensorial expericance of our espresso. Yes it is very light, so those who are used to dark espressos may be a bit shocked when they first try our blend.

Posted September 7, 2004 link

Woah!  You aren't kidding.  I guess I hadn't read up on this blend enough to know it is such a light, sprightly blend.  I just got mine yesterday.  Very good for what it is, but definitely not my thing.  It was, however, extremely fresh and smelled up my entire kitchen with incredible aroma!
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Posted Mon Sep 20, 2004, 10:13am
Subject: Paradise Roasters Customer Service
 

When I had ordered Paradise Espresso from their website, my order confirmation I printed off showed a total charge of $8.95 (including shipping).  However, when I received the coffee, the invoice showed a charge of $4.95 for shipping.  

I e-mailed Paradise Roasters concerning the discrepancy.  After a bit of mix-up in communications, Deb Meza (owner of Paradise Roasters) phoned me personally to apologize for the mix-up and for the discrepancy in billing.  It was handled kindly and professionally, and I told her that I most certainly would let this community know of her good customer service.

It seems Paradise Roasters is a smallish outfit but exhibits the mom & pop kindliness we should expect from all companies.  

Thank you, Paradise Roasters.

Just thought I'd let the rest of you know.

--mochamaniac
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