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emileeg
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Posted Mon Jan 27, 2014, 6:50am
Subject: Is it the (cheap) coffee maker?
 

Hey y'all,

Just want some opinions on what we can do to improve the coffee at our house - not sure what our problem is, or the best way to fix it!

My dad makes the best coffee (or at least, he makes coffee that I loooooove to drink). It's just smooth and awesome and delicious.  Usually I only ever add a little bit of milk to it; it needs no sugar! He has one of the Cuisinart grind & brew machines (the kind without the hopper)

We use the exact same beans he does and we live in the same city, so the water is the same too. Our coffee tastes bitter. We have a separate grinder that was cheap :/ And a coffee maker that was also cheap (maybe spent $20 on it?).

I'm tired of drinking coffee that I know can be 10x better.  What needs changing? Is it the crappy grinder?  Is it that the coffee maker we have isn't heating the water to the correct temperature?  Or something else I haven't even considered?  Or all of it?

If all of it needs to go - what do we get, for as reasonably priced as possible?  We're OK with not having a completely automatic coffee maker (separate grinder and machine are OK), as long as we get a decent cup of coffee out of it :)  

Also - not really interested in french press.  When we're up in the morning and trying to get out the door, we're more likely to run out the door earlier and stop at a gas station to pick up coffee (or go coffeee-less - then grump about it later) than hang around timing how long the coffee has been steeping :/

Any advice would be mega appreciated! We are definitely closer to beginners than coffee snobs, but we do like a decent cup of coffee :)
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Posted Mon Jan 27, 2014, 7:40am
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If your looking to replace the Cuisinart (Which I've also owned) for something better plus a stand alone grinder, cheap won't cut it. I'd recommend the Baratza Encore + Bonivita BV 1800TH.  Both will run you up over $300..

A great cheap alternative would be a Pour over cone matched with a hand grinder.  

Hario Mini + Hario V60 will brew you an AMAZING cup for about $50-$60 if your willing to grind and brew by hand.  Lastly you would also need a kettle. I use a cheap $15 kettle. As long as I start brewing within a min or two off the boil I always get great brews.

The brew itself only takes 1-2 min. Grinding about the same.
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emileeg
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Posted Mon Jan 27, 2014, 8:07am
Subject: Re: Is it the (cheap) coffee maker?
 

Hey Burner, thanks for the reply!

We're looking to replace our cheap stuff - I like the coffee my dad's Cuisinart produces. Just comparing the Cuisinart to our cheap stuff, I'm wondering if the bitterness is (mostly) due to inconsistent grind from the crummy grinder or incorrect temperature from the cheap machine.  Or something else... I guess what I'm really asking is, what is it that the Cuisinart is doing better (probably everything...) that can be fixed without spending as much?  Or, if we can make better coffee spending the same amount.

Not gonna hand grind... but I'd totally be okay with spending money on a decent burr grinder.  I'll definitely look more into pour over brewing, it's not really something I had thought about.

Absolute max we're willing to spend towards being able to brew some decent coffee is $200, but we'd like to spend less if we can.
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Posted Mon Jan 27, 2014, 10:54am
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Ok well your mostly getting bitterness from your cheaper machine IF it has a carafe warmer which burns the coffee after about 20min.  An easy fix for this would be to just shut it off and either consume the coffee quickly or replace it with a thermal carafe.

I highly recommend the Baratza Encore for drip brewing.  It suites drip and pour over best for grind settings having 40 in total.  Sweet deal for $130. If you spend the remaining $70 on a brewer with a thermal carafe you should be golden. Honestly out of all the cheap brewers out there the Black & Decker outlast everything else I've used aside from commercial grade brewers. Just make sure you get something without a warmer and thermal carafe or your just gonna get bitter burnt coffee.
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Posted Mon Jan 27, 2014, 12:30pm
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emileeg Said:

. He has one of the Cuisinart grind & brew machines (the kind without the hopper)

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Do you like to experiment?

If so, can he make coffee in his maker that already been ground?  If so, take your grinder to his house, grind some beans and brew in his coffee maker.

Then, can you take grinds from his grinder and brew them in your brewer?
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Posted Tue Jan 28, 2014, 8:14pm
Subject: Re: Is it the (cheap) coffee maker?
 

CoffeeNark Said:

Do you like to experiment?

If so, can he make coffee in his maker that already been ground?  If so, take your grinder to his house, grind some beans and brew in his coffee maker.

Then, can you take grinds from his grinder and brew them in your brewer?

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His dad doesn't have a grinder, it's built into the machine.

But that is a good idea.

I've found the decent grind and brews do better than a blade grinder and a 20 dollar pot. That being said, the next question is...

Are you using the same proportion of beans to water? Does he measure his beans, weigh how much he uses for how much weight of water he uses. Compare it to what you use.

All things are possible.

I recommend a Bonavita with a carafe if you are buying a new machine. I know most of these guys swear by the grinder, but I've found that the pot can make a bigger difference. When you buy a cheap machine you take pot luck on water temperature and drip speed. I have seen this happen. With two cheap machines of the same model and brand and one produced burn your mouth hot coffee and the other produced one that was actually a tiny bit too cool. They are made for the Folgers and Yuban set.

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