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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 8:24am
Subject: Auto-Drip coffee Is sour
 

I own a Bunn Phase Brew 8 Cup Auto-Drip coffee maker. This morning I grinded some Starbucks coffee and brewed a half pot. The coffee was sour tasting and very nasty. Didn't even drink all of It. I use a Bodum Bistro Burr Grinder and I used a grind this morning that was pretty fine. Like a little finer then table salt almost. Maybe something you would use with a aeropress or a tad finer. I'm thinking I should go a lot coarser? I like strong coffee so I assume I should use a stronger ratio also? And If I'm brewing half pots with this machine will that make my coffee weak?

I use 1130 grams of water to 65 grams of coffee. I started another forum a while back trying to figure out the issue with this coffee maker. Should I use more coffee? Or try a coarser grind? What can you suggest. I have covered all of the variables like the water and temperature and everything. Thanks in advance!

 
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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 8:54am
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I dont know Starbucks beans, but from what I've heard from other users, that might be your problem.
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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 9:19am
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Can try going coarser and see, but also throw out the Charbucks beans. No serious lol, no matter what you do, the coffee will taste bad. Their beans are long since stale by the time you buy them, and their way over roasted and taste like char (no bean character or anything as that's all been burnt out). Stale beans will give off a sour, + burnt w/ charbucks, taste. As far as the ratio, your within range, 17:1 is fairly norm but you could adjust if you want. Can you acquire fresh roasted beans from a place in your area (most good shops, not Charbucks, carry fresh batches constantly, obviously lol) or you could order online, you'll see a massive difference in taste.
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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 11:03am
Subject: Re: Auto-Drip coffee Is sour
 

Thecoffeenerd Said:

I own a Bunn Phase Brew 8 Cup Auto-Drip coffee maker. This morning I grinded some Starbucks coffee and brewed a half pot. The coffee was sour tasting and very nasty. Didn't even drink all of It. I use a Bodum Bistro Burr Grinder and I used a grind this morning that was pretty fine. Like a little finer then table salt almost. Maybe something you would use with a aeropress or a tad finer. I'm thinking I should go a lot coarser? I like strong coffee so I assume I should use a stronger ratio also? And If I'm brewing half pots with this machine will that make my coffee weak?

I use 1130 grams of water to 65 grams of coffee. I started another forum a while back trying to figure out the issue with this coffee maker. Should I use more coffee? Or try a coarser grind? What can you suggest. I have covered all of the variables like the water and temperature and everything. Thanks in advance!

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How long have you had the Phase Brew?  I had one for 2 full days until it crapped out.  You mention that you have covered all the variables like temp, etc.   Are you experiencing the issues that I had with the Phase Brew I once had:   The digitals were all over the place, never any consistency as to when it would start to brew (after receiving a digital acknowledgement from machine that it was brewing); length of time till supposed correct brew temp was achieved then water dispensed.  

My Phase Brew finally totally crapped out.  The machine has very bad reviews yet I thought I would give it a chance.

I mention all of the above because I wonder if the same issues may be happening with your machine causing extraction issues.

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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 3:54pm
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Believe It or not, my phase brew works great! Except the fact that the coffee sucks :/ I got a replacement thinking the sprayhead was faulty (Flow Restrictor) And It was just the sprayhead. Not the brewer! :D But the replacement I have now seems a lot better. Bunn has been working hard to fix the issues and It seems like they are getting better. My phase brew works like It should and I ran a test to check water temperature and to make sure the water was coming out correctly like a shower head during the brew...It looks like It's all correct. So, what do I need to do to get better coffee with It? Grind coarser?

 
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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 5:59pm
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Thecoffeenerd Said:

Believe It or not, my phase brew works great! Except the fact that the coffee sucks :/ I got a replacement thinking the sprayhead was faulty (Flow Restrictor) And It was just the sprayhead. Not the brewer! :D But the replacement I have now seems a lot better. Bunn has been working hard to fix the issues and It seems like they are getting better. My phase brew works like It should and I ran a test to check water temperature and to make sure the water was coming out correctly like a shower head during the brew...It looks like It's all correct. So, what do I need to do to get better coffee with It? Grind coarser?

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How is your water?  What variety and roast level coffee bean you getting from Starbucks?

Personally the only Starbucks roast I ever liked, when brewed on my own, was their Espresso Roast.  

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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 7:28pm
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I use a PUR 2 stage water filter pitcher, my water Is very clean. And I use dark roasted "Caffe Verona" Starbucks coffee. One of my favorite blends!

 
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Posted Sat Jun 29, 2013, 9:31pm
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Thecoffeenerd Said:

So, what do I need to do to get better coffee with It? Grind coarser?

Posted June 29, 2013 link

.Like I said, chuck the Charbucks beans, your buying beans that can be 6+ months old, and burnt, since they roast all the character out of the beans (so all their stores have consistency, burnt consistency, but still consistency lol) so all your left is an ashy/burnt log taste + that sourness you see which is generally what stale beans taste like. Even their light roast is dark. You need to get some fresh roasted beans, you didn't put your location in as otherwise we could see what's in your area (plenty of roasters online to order as well). Otherwise using Starbucks is like trying to canoe up river w/o a paddle ;) .Your brew ratio is pretty much spot on at 17:1, get some good beans and it'll be a night and day difference.

Some people like that, until they try some fresh beans. I too did, as before I got into coffee that's just what I assumed coffee was like. Now it taste like a liquid cigarette/cigar too me lol.
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Posted Sun Jun 30, 2013, 12:04am
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I'm gonna repeat myself and say freshly roasted beans.
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Posted Sun Jun 30, 2013, 8:36am
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Thecoffeenerd Said:

I own a Bunn Phase Brew 8 Cup Auto-Drip coffee maker. This morning I grinded some Starbucks coffee and brewed a half pot. The coffee was sour tasting and very nasty. Didn't even drink all of It. I use a Bodum Bistro Burr Grinder and I used a grind this morning that was pretty fine. Like a little finer then table salt almost. Maybe something you would use with a aeropress or a tad finer. I'm thinking I should go a lot coarser? I like strong coffee so I assume I should use a stronger ratio also? And If I'm brewing half pots with this machine will that make my coffee weak?

I use 1130 grams of water to 65 grams of coffee. I started another forum a while back trying to figure out the issue with this coffee maker. Should I use more coffee? Or try a coarser grind? What can you suggest. I have covered all of the variables like the water and temperature and everything. Thanks in advance!

Posted June 29, 2013 link

I probably don't need to say this, because it's already been said so many times, but hey, why not?  Get better beans.  Freshly roasted.  This is the first step in making good coffee.  Second is grinder.  Third is brewing technique.  But if you don't START with good coffee, you're not going to END UP with good coffee.  From your other posts, you have clearly been trying to tweak all of your different brewing methods, which is great.  But you will never know if you are doing it right unless you have good coffee to begin with.  It has been noted many times on this forum that good technique can make mediocre coffee taste good.  While this is true, many would argue that there is nothing mediocre about Starbucks.  It's bad, plain and simple.  They start with cheap beans, they over-roast them so that you can't tell how cheap they are, and then they sit on a shelf for months.
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