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bobpies
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 7:14am
Subject: Are they Fresh or Not?
 

Hi there,

so i have been buying fresh beans for about 2 years now for my rocket giotto.

Mainly sourcing them from "CoffeeBeanShop.co.uk"
I have always identified a freshly roasted bag of beans as ones that have a lot of gas still in them when you pull the shot, resulting in bubbles of crema oozing from the flow of coffee. Right or wrong, this is how i would personally identify it.

More recently the bags of beans i have been getting from here have been pretty bad - the shot results in a pretty crappy looking pour, with little crema - no bubbles and not particularly good tasting. - So much so that i recently tossed 3 bags of the stuff in the bin and said to hell with coffebeanshop once and for all.

I have had dealings with union as well, but wanted a roaster that does my favourite bean - old brown java - and ended up at SmithsCoffee

I just got their beans through the post today, squeezed the bag to get some of that coffee aroma up in my face, but nothing? - Opened the bag took a whiff, pretty bland... and i just thought to myself - ffs here we go again.

Into the grinder, poured a shot and again crappy pour, no crema, no bubbles - they are roasted very dark so have that kind of carbon taste to them, which i dont mind, but i wanted the god damn crema.

So my question is this, am i getting it all wrong, does a gassy bean not come from a fresh roasted bean?
Do you not get a ton more creama from a fresh bean?
or do i have it all right, are these beans stale and is their "Freshly Roasted on the same day and sent out" total BS

In which case, can anyone suggest a UK supplier that actually delivers on this quality

Thanks :)
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 1:49pm
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In general, fresh beans offgass much more in the first week then they slow down. Stale beans will react like you are describing. Is there a date of roast on the bag or a "use by" or "best by" date? If the day of roast is on the bag, if the roaster is honest with labeling, you know when they were done. Normally if the best by date is there, you don't know ...... beans about when they were roasted.

Perhaps someone in the UK can give some guidance here as to a good source.

 
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bobpies
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 2:18pm
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calblacksmith Said:

In general, fresh beans offgass much more in the first week then they slow down. Stale beans will react like you are describing. Is there a date of roast on the bag or a "use by" or "best by" date? If the day of roast is on the bag, if the roaster is honest with labeling, you know when they were done. Normally if the best by date is there, you don't know ...... beans about when they were roasted.

Perhaps someone in the UK can give some guidance here as to a good source.

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from coffeebeanshop the roast date stickers are the same day as dispatch - however from the last batch i received i now get the feeling that they have a stockpile that they just slap their latest dates on as and when they are ordered - and if you get a fresh batch your just lucky.

The ones from smiths have no date on them - the bags they arrived in are flat as a pancake (usually bloated) and smell like... nothing really - they roast is too dark and they oily to boot.

I want to believe that coffeebeanshop do roast on order and dispatch as i have had some GREAT tasting coffee more often than not from here.

I guess my question is, can there just be a bad roast? That results in little gas being given off, no crema, bitter taste and early blonding.
Or is the only way for the above to occur from a stale batch of beans.
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Posted Thu Jun 20, 2013, 11:01pm
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bobpies Said:

from coffeebeanshop the roast date stickers are the same day as dispatch - however from the last batch i received i now get the feeling that they have a stockpile that they just slap their latest dates on as and when they are ordered - and if you get a fresh batch your just lucky.

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Well, I guess it's a matter of trust, because a trustworthy roaster will of course put the actual date on their bags. Anything else I would consider fraud. If you do no longer trust that roaster, you should start looking for a new one.

 
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 7:54pm
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You've been buying coffee from them for a while, and just had this bad experience. Why not give them the benefit of the doubt and contact them? Maybe they had a mixup and some older beans got shipped by accident, or maybe they did try and off some older beans they shouldn't have. Either way they might just ship you a fresh batch with apologies, and make sure it doesn't happen again (at least to you). To me that would make good business sense on their part.
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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 8:47pm
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Have you tried contacting them regarding the issue?
It seems they're having problems on their side.
NobbyR is right, try looking looking for another roaster, hopefully you'll find trustworthy people.

 
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 3:48am
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No roast date. No sale as far as I'm concerned.

Did you contact Coffeebeanshop with your complaint? I am all for moving on else where if you don't get the product or service you deserve, but I'd balk at throwing out 3 bags of beans without attempting to get a replacement.

There are quality reliable UK roasters out there. The issue you may have is that they do not generally offer Old Brown Java and the roast may be somewhat lighter than you are used to, reading between the lines of your post.

Hasbean is my go to supplier and I've used Square Mile as a treat. If you're looking for Old Brown Java I would try Whittards on the high street.
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