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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 9:12am
Subject: The Tongue Map and Coffee Tasting
 

First of all, I am new here; I joined to get some clarification on this question, but also to become more familiar with coffee in general.

I have enjoyed coffee for years and have experienced some variety of coffees, but I am absolutely new to the world of coffee tasting for coffee tasting's sake, of measuring grounds in grams and heating water to particular temperatures and spending several hundred dollars on an espresso machine. But I really love the stuff, and so I'm curious about it all.

So I've been reading about coffee tasting, and applying its insight when trying new brews. But the thing is, I have heard mention of the tongue map in ascertaining certain aspects of a coffee's flavor. As many of you may be aware, the tongue map has long since been discredited by the scientific community and was in fact the result of a mistranslated German research article (if I remember correctly).

A link on the matter:

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Whenever I've heard mention of the tongue map in material on coffee tasting, it kind of puts me off at first. How do you reconcile aspects of coffee tasting based on the notion of the tongue map with the scientific conclusion that that tongue map doesn't exist? Plenty of coffee tasting doesn't rely on the ill-fated tongue map, so I would imagine that it isn't such a big deal. Still, what are people's thoughts on this?
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:10am
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I have never read of the "tongue map" referenced with regard to cupping/tasting. Totally fail to see the relevance anyway.

Coffee tasting is subjective, not based on any theory of how we taste, just how it tastes to that person at that time and under those circumstances.
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 2:24pm
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In terms of coffee tasting, the majority of the interesting flavors are actually sensed by olfactory receptors - they are essentially "smelled" and these smells combine with the limited palate of taste receptors on your tongue to give rise to the perception of flavor. Thus, the tongue is actually a relatively minor part of tasting quality coffee.

 
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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 2:46pm
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dana_leighton Said:

In terms of coffee tasting, the majority of the interesting flavors are actually sensed by olfactory receptors - they are essentially "smelled" and these smells combine with the limited palate of taste receptors on your tongue to give rise to the perception of flavor. Thus, the tongue is actually a relatively minor part of tasting quality coffee.

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Posted Mon Apr 15, 2013, 11:56pm
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The 2011 Coffee Cupper's Handbook does show a tongue map and go into a bit of detail on at least one page on which areas of the tongue are more sensitive to various tastes.

I've also read that the tongue map has been discredited and I don't let this conflict bother me too much as this is only a page or two out of the book.

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Posted Tue Apr 16, 2013, 1:11pm
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UH, I hate to be the 1+ guy but here goes, +1
I never put much stock in the tongue map thing. Also as had been said, so much of what we taste is really what we smell, the aroma goes up the throat and we "smell" from the back side of the nose so to speak :P

 
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