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ducksredux
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Posted Sun Sep 2, 2012, 5:20am
Subject: Hario V60 - 4gm/150ml - quick or slow pour?
 

Hiya! I'm extremely sensitive to caffeine, despite drinking 2 cups a day for years. Too much caffeine (even on a full stomach) gives me anxiety attacks and then I flip out on my family or my students.  (That disclaimer is just so no one encourages me to do 12gm/150ml or a more "proper" ratio. I'm actually trying to switch my second cup to green tea even though coffee is meat and tea is tofu.)  I gravitate toward strong flavors rather than subtle ones because of the weak ratio I use (4-6gm/150ml).

Anyway, I'm curious about pouring technique. Typically with my Hario Buono I wait 30 secs off the boil and then do a 30-40ml pour to wet the grounds, then wait 30 seconds and do a slow trickle with the other 110/120ml. If I pour slowly the water never gets higher than halfway up the cone and I end up with a thick layer of grounds around the edges. If I pour fast I get the water much farther up the cone and I get a thin layer of grounds around the edges. I'm curious which is considered better technique - the slow pour that might be over-extracting some grounds, or the quick pour that is probably under-extracting? Or is the question pretty academic since my Hario Mini-Mill can't do a proper medium grind anyway?

I've watched some baristas and they go all the way to the top of the cone, but they're using way more coffee - most recently was at Irving Farm Coffee Company in NY and they used 30gm/400ml (I haven't been that high since college).
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Posted Tue Sep 4, 2012, 3:54pm
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With ratios and brew sizes that low, I think you should consider drinking tea.
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Posted Wed Sep 5, 2012, 4:08pm
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Well, that's sort of an answer. I might.
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Posted Wed Sep 5, 2012, 8:14pm
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BTW, I might be incorrect here, but not all green tea is caffeine free. In fact, some teas, oz for oz are higher in caffeine than the equivalent amount of drip brewed coffee.
A 14 gram espresso shot, mixed in 7oz of hot water (an Americano) has about 30-40% less caffeine than a 9 oz mug of coffee.
Just an alternative.

Sorry you're having trouble. I have several friends who ca't even drink decaf, as there are apparently other elements in the brew that they interact with badly.

 
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Posted Thu Sep 6, 2012, 9:28am
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Unless marked as decaffeinated, green tea will always contain caffeine. However, I've always been under the impression that tea contains SIGNIFICANTLY less caffeine than coffee.

I use this website a lot to find the caffeine content of certain drinks:

http://www.energyfiend.com/the-caffeine-database

According to them, an 8oz drip coffee contains 145mg of caffeine, while 8oz of green tea contains 25mg.
                   
                     OZ    mg    mg/fl oz
Tea (Green)      8      25     3.1
Coffee (Drip)    8     145   18.1

Obviously these numbers will change based on bean type, roast level, brewing style. However, I think it's clear that green tea contains absolutely miniscule levels of caffeine when compared to coffee.
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Posted Sat Sep 8, 2012, 7:33pm
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Have you considered decaf? My wife like to drink it and I have to say its gotten much much better in recent years. The decaf Black Tie from Deep Cello is really good, you should order one of their samples. https://deepcello.com/samples or of course visit a good high end cafe in your city.

 
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Posted Sun Sep 9, 2012, 10:44am
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@Intrepid510 - I do drink decaf sometimes - but there's not enough caffeine in it. I have two great local roasters - Lynncbt.com and freshcoffeescoop.com - who both carry delicious decafs (current favorite is Komodo) - I'll typically use 12mg per 250ml in a pourover. I'd use more but that's 2 or 3 minutes of grinding with the Hario Mini Mill and I don't feel like I should be working that hard for decaf.

@Netphilosopher - thanks for the detailed reply. So if I'm drinking a 4oz cup of pourover that'd be about 7.5gm at 25% extraction, which is roughly two scoops. If I'm using between 4 and 6 grams (my scale is crap for small amounts) then I'm slightly under. And I guess more caffeine is extracted depending on the speed of the pour. My grinder at work - Spong No. 3 - is set too fine and my coffee comes out way stronger there.
I can't imagine drinking cold-brewed coffee except during the summer. Do people microwave it?

@IMAWriter - that's interesting. I wonder if that's similar for Moka pot or Aeropress "espresso" as well. I'll do those some mornings, but the Moka pot feels much stronger to me than the same amount of grounds extracted with inverted Aeropress, drank undiluted. I would happily drink real espresso every morning but the expense of a good setup is a significant barrier.

@EvanOz85 - I love green tea, but I am not alert after drinking a cup. Last time I tried to go to work on green tea I backed into a parked car.
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