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finesNotfine
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Posted Wed Aug 29, 2012, 6:15am
Subject: Cant find a Vario with new burrs already installed
 

Please anybody help,, living in Ireland and going banannas trying to find Anywhere to purchase/order a 2nd edition vario with the new steel/ filter burrs already installed. The mahlkonig website says this is now an option when purchaseing a new grinder. Sound great cause thats exactly what i want. Done all the usuall e-mails but no-body ive found nobody selling this option. Am sure im not the only one in this boat. Any help would be greatly appreciated as my sieve routine is takeing the joy out of my brews. :)  P.s anybody found any usefull reviews on grind data for these new burrs, like  "marcos uber project" article on Grind Profiles: Baratza. Am sure we would all like to see a comparison between the virtuoso preciso and the steel burred vario as they are the best grind quality vrs money for the bedroom brew bar folks out there,
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Posted Wed Aug 29, 2012, 8:12am
Subject: Re: Cant find a Vario with new burrs already installed
 

Sorry I can't really help. But why not just install the new burrs yourself?

Have you seen this HB thread, by the way? To date there's been no explicit comparison of the Preciso and Vario with metal burrs that I've seen, but the discussion over there is helpful in other ways.
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finesNotfine
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Posted Wed Aug 29, 2012, 8:56am
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Thanks Jbviau, buying the steel burrs and installing them myself is option no.2.  NO.1 is i should be able to purchase this no problem as Mahlkonig say this is an option now(maybe all the suppliers already have pallets of precisos and want to shift them first) Problem being is that it will push the price up by nearly 100e and will have a burr set i do not need. This will be a dedicated filter for my own home use and would find a price tag of nearly 550e a bit hard to hard to swallow. Must have read every thread on this issue and cant find a bad word (apart from the cost) about them. As regards a Preciso vrs Vario comparison, think its about time somebody did one. If it turns out to be a better filter grinder, i think the brewers out there would find this  info extremly usefull . One things for sure, WHEN i finally get my hands on this set-up i plan to do a very in-depth review on it. HD picks , you name it. Thanks Jbviau.
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whd2102
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Posted Wed Aug 29, 2012, 1:24pm
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According to Baratza, the Preciso is clearly the better filter grinder.

I imagine that the Vario with Filter Burrs isn't directly offered because the Vario isn't meant to BE a filter grinder. In other words, the burrs are a hack in order to make the most of a poor filter grinder for those people who *already* have a Vario with espresso burrs. It wouldn't make sense to buy the Vario AS a filter grinder; that's why it's not offered as one out-of-the-box.
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Posted Fri Aug 31, 2012, 3:05pm
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Thanks for the response musily,  discussions are always more interesting when their 2-sided.  Would like to know what information your basing this on as I would also like to read up on that side of it as you have obviously read/based your strong opinion on something. I have also read the Baratza statement stating that the Preciso burrs produce less fines than the new steel burrs for the Vario. I find this statement a bit weak due to the fact that they stop there, WHY not go the full hog and specify that that it also has a more unimodal distribusion than the steel burrs. They didn't expand on this, seems a little bit like a not-so-clever debating trick. If its better in all aspects of grinding THEN SAY IT. Also, there's a small army of people out there with these new burrs and they cant find a bad thing to say about them (apart from the price of this set up). This isn't a issue for me as what i really want is an Uber Grinder with the laser cut titanium coated burrs which even blows a Guatemala out of the water (ref. marcos Uber Project) so its seems like the cheaper version for me (come on euromillions!) I also found some interesting/very geeky(lovely) charts on the Baratza's line of particle distribution for their grinders on Marco's Uber Project. Unfortunatly no such graph on the new steel burrs for the Vario exist (this would be conflicting as I think they stock all Baratza grinders apart from the Vario). Another nice blog written by The Other Black Stuff (forum name "Burrs Again") points to the steel burrs producing an excellent cup, comparible to some shop/ bulk grinders. Also, if you would like to type in Second Update Vario into Google you will go to a press release statement from Mahlkonig saying they now give the option of purchasing a Vario with either burr set installed from the go. Thanks for your feedback.
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Posted Sat Sep 1, 2012, 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Cant find a Vario with new burrs already installed
 

To be frank, I'm not sure how the discussion is two-sided, since to my knowledge no one has argued that the Vario is better than the Preciso w/r/t a filter grind. All I've heard is that people who swapped their Vario burrs are enthusiastic about the improvement w/r/t filter grinding.

And to be clear, I'm not saying that the Preciso is necessarily better than the Vario w/r/t a filter grind. All I said was that that is Baratza's position--I spoke with the owners. Incidentally, I've used the Preciso and think that it produces a fantastic filter grind. A couple of very well-respected industry folks (i.e., Tasting champions) have told me that the Preciso's grind profile is better than a Ditting, in their opinion.
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