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OB
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Roaster: Fresh roast +8
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2012, 4:38pm
Subject: What is going wrong?
 

I roasted some SM Guatemala beans to City+, Let them sit for 3 days.  Ground them on a coarse setting on an el cheapie modified Cusinart burr grinder and then tried making some coffee in a press pot.  The beans had a lot of chaff that the grinder evidently cut loose,  but I went ahead and tried the press pot.  Followed all the directions and it came out tasting bleah.  Didn't get very many fines so guess the grind was OK.
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The same grinder was turned down to fine for expresso and I ground some SM expresso classic blend that was roasted to about Full City + and made a pot with the Mokka.  It also tasted bleah.  So what is going on?  Is it the el cheapo Cusinart grinder or the roasting with the Fresh Roast +8? that is causing me all the troubles?


Thanks for your opinions and help.
OB
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SteveRhinehart
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Location: Syracuse, NY
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: 1970s La Pavoni Europiccola
Grinder: Baratza Vario, Hario Skerton
Vac Pot: Yama Tabletop 3-cup
Drip: Chemex, CCD, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Flavorwave/Stir Crazy
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2012, 4:59pm
Subject: Re: What is going wrong?
 

Some things that will help diagnose your problems:
  1. Roast notes (age, storage method, grams, time, temps, smell, sound, sight, etc.)
  2. Brewing notes, for both the press and the moka pot
  3. What exactly does "bleah" mean? Be more descriptive, as best you can.
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OB
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Location: Pace, Florida
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Espresso: Rancillo Silvia V3, w/PID
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: Black and Decker
Roaster: Fresh roast +8
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2012, 5:31pm
Subject: Re: What is going wrong?
 

Bleah was a saying of some of the "peanuts" gang...  Like yuuuuck.
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SteveRhinehart
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Espresso: 1970s La Pavoni Europiccola
Grinder: Baratza Vario, Hario Skerton
Vac Pot: Yama Tabletop 3-cup
Drip: Chemex, CCD, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Flavorwave/Stir Crazy
Posted Tue Apr 24, 2012, 6:54pm
Subject: Re: What is going wrong?
 

I understood that part, but sadly, bleah cannot be attributed to a particular problem as well as "tastes like Cheerios" can. Be more descriptive, and we can be more helpful.

For example, off tastes can be attributed to:
  • Water too hot
  • Water too cold
  • Stale grounds
  • Improper grind
  • Incorrect water chemistry
  • Improper bean storage
  • Dirty equipment
  • Baked roast
  • Too light of roast
  • Too dark of roast
  • And on and on

(Cheerios, by the way, would be the oaty/grainy flavor coffee takes on at a just-before-first-crack type of roast, probably accompanied by grassy and vegetal flavors)
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Posted Wed Apr 25, 2012, 4:05am
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OB
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Roaster: Fresh roast +8
Posted Wed Apr 25, 2012, 5:05am
Subject: Re: What is going wrong?
 

Gentlemen, thanks for your help.  After looking over the replies, I see the only thing that was probably incorrect was the grind.  I have determined that the modified cusinart is a POS.  I will be ordering a new Barzarta vario as soon as the seattle store opens.

Then we will see if my coffee making skills improve.

Thanks again
OB
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Posted Wed Apr 25, 2012, 6:03am
Subject: Re: What is going wrong?
 

OB Said:

Gentlemen, thanks for your help.  After looking over the replies, I see the only thing that was probably incorrect was the grind.  I have determined that the modified cusinart is a POS.  I will be ordering a new Barzarta vario as soon as the seattle store opens.

Then we will see if my coffee making skills improve.

Thanks again
OB

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The Vario is the wrong grinder for a press, unless you're plunking down the extra $60 for the steel burrs designed for coarser grinding. I'd suggest the Encore if you're an FP drinker who may also do filter brews.

 
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SteveRhinehart
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Joined: 27 Dec 2009
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Location: Syracuse, NY
Expertise: I live coffee

Espresso: 1970s La Pavoni Europiccola
Grinder: Baratza Vario, Hario Skerton
Vac Pot: Yama Tabletop 3-cup
Drip: Chemex, CCD, Kalita Wave,...
Roaster: Flavorwave/Stir Crazy
Posted Wed Apr 25, 2012, 11:14am
Subject: Re: What is going wrong?
 

JPDyson Said:

The Vario is the wrong grinder for a press, unless you're plunking down the extra $60 for the steel burrs designed for coarser grinding. I'd suggest the Encore if you're an FP drinker who may also do filter brews.

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Well, it's not fantastic at coarse grinds, but that doesn't mean it's poor for press! I use a slightly coarse drip grind, 5 minute steep, break & clean, and a further 5 minute rest before decanting (pouring passively through my filter, not pressing), and often through a paper filter. It hasn't overextracted on me yet, and while a bit cooler than some like, still yields some fairly tasty coffee. This was based on something James Hoffmann recommended in his blog, I believe, and is a method I won't soon be turning away from - when I actually get around to making a press brew, that is.

True, though, the Vario is fairly inconsistent at the coarsest settings.
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OB
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Location: Pace, Florida
Expertise: Just starting

Espresso: Rancillo Silvia V3, w/PID
Grinder: Baratza Vario
Drip: Black and Decker
Roaster: Fresh roast +8
Posted Wed Apr 25, 2012, 3:40pm
Subject: Re: What is going wrong?
 

Well I went ahead and pulled the trigger.  Ordered a Silvia w/pid and a vario.  It's ok as I will probably be doing mostly espresso stuff.

Stay tuned for the rest of the story.

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