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aowens
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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:29pm
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Ok, so 3-4 min with a medium fine grind seems to be the consensus. Also, is 28g the ideal dose for 400ml of water?
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Posted Wed Jan 11, 2012, 10:46pm
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I'd have to agree that grinders, albeit fine quality grinders like the Skerton, Porlex (which I have) and others of the same ilk are not (IMO) the grinder best suited to this style of pour, due to the # of fines they produce when the burrs are set to a medium grind. I believe these grinders are at their best when doing the finer grinds, such as espresso. Even my wonderful KyM manual vintage grinder does a less than average job when attempting to grind for pourover..but rocks as an espresso grinder.
Your brew will be a bit more bitter than it should be.

As we here believe the GRINDER is PARAMOUNT to producing the best coffee in ALL circumstances, be it espresso, French press, vac, pour-over, etc, Kone users would be better off with a good drip/press grinder like a Baratza Maestro plus, Virtuoso, etc. Something along those lines.
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Posted Thu Jan 12, 2012, 12:35am
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Dose is really a matter of personal preference, however the general starting point is 1:17. I like my pour over at around 1:16 for most coffees. 28 grams per 400ml is a pretty high dose (1:14.2) but if you like your coffee rather strong it might work for you. That's about what i do for Aeropress with the Coava Disk. However, if you find you're having to use large amounts of coffee just to get a average strengthed cup of coffee then you're likely under extracting.

Ultimately, if it tastes good to you then that is the only thing that matters! :)
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Posted Fri Jan 13, 2012, 12:35pm
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aowens Said:

Ok, so 3-4 min with a medium fine grind seems to be the consensus. Also, is 28g the ideal dose for 400ml of water?

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I think much over 3 minutes would be overkill.
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Posted Fri Jan 13, 2012, 5:48pm
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EvanOz85 Said:

I think much over 3 minutes would be overkill.

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I used to think so until I saw some cafe's doing it. I tried it and now that's all i do. You should try it.

 
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Posted Fri Jan 13, 2012, 8:52pm
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EvanOz85 Said:

I think much over 3 minutes would be overkill.

Posted January 13, 2012 link

My Kone brews usually come out to about 3:15 -3:30 these days and the important thing is that it doesn't taste like overkill.  I usually begin with 28g/400g, and with some coffees I end up going up a liitle and with some I go down depending on what tastes better. It's a good starting point but hardly a law of nature.
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Posted Sun Jan 15, 2012, 8:29am
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archi Said:

You should try it.

Posted January 13, 2012 link

Just brewed a cup that took around 3:30. Came out very nice. The Kone is truly revolutionary.
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Posted Sat Jan 28, 2012, 3:11pm
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I received the Kone on Friday and just brewed my first 12oz cup using it. The coffee used was a home roasted Guat.

I started with a ratio of 27g/400ml. I ground my coffee at 16F on my Preciso and brewed with 201F water. For this first brew, I use Coava's recommendations:

  1. Pre-infuse with 100ml of water over 15 seconds. Start timer and wait 45 seconds.
  2. At 0:45, begin main pour and hit 400ml at 2:00 (300ml at 1:30).
  3. Drips should be done by 2:45.

The resulting cup is very sweet with a syrupy body and great apple/berry fruit notes. Caramelized sugar adds some roasty sweetness and dark chocolate ties it all together. A really wonderful cup, especially considering this is my first time trying it. I kept my pour to the middle of the grounds and all the timing worked out nicely. I did notice that there was very little resistance for the final draw down. It emptied in about 15 seconds and was dripping once a second or two for the rest of the time. I know that the Kone provides hardly any resistance, but am wondering if this style of draw down is par for the course. There was a fair amount of sediment in the bottom of the Chemex, but it was nowhere near press pot level. I was able to keep most of it in the bottom of the Chemex. I am hesitant to take the grind any finer, as the coffee tastes like it has been pushed to its limit. There are no over extraction bitters, but I get that feeling that the coffee is teetering at the top end of extraction. That could just be the unfiltered nature of the brew, as I have been making nothing but pour overs for a long time.

Overall, very impressed with this first cup and looking forward to experimenting. I'd like to try a standard pre-infusion at some point with the remaining ~360ml being the main pour. I am wondering if this would prolong contact time and allow for a slightly coarser grind. At 16F, I am right at the lowest end of my Preciso's drip grind (according to the manual) with 14 being the start of the espresso range.
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Posted Tue Apr 10, 2012, 9:25am
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This is a real rookie question, but while your waiting the 45 seconds for the bloom, do you have to put reheat the water to get it back up to 200 degrees or do you just continue the pouring (after the 45 seconds) with the same water as is?
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Posted Tue Apr 10, 2012, 9:27am
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cowgirleileen Said:

This is a real rookie question, but while your waiting the 45 seconds for the bloom, do you have to put reheat the water to get it back up to 200 degrees or do you just continue the pouring (after the 45 seconds) with the same water as is?

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I have never re-heated my water during any bloom period for pour overs. I brew pour over most of the time and I like to brew with 198F water. I've never had issues with it.
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