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VictorSM
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Posted Sun Sep 11, 2011, 11:26am
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How many clicks on a HMMS do you use for a V60 pourover?  I've been experimenting for a while and don't have it right.  Last month, I was in La Jolla, and visited Bird Rock Roasters.  Chuck, the owner, made me a marvelous pourover (Sidama Dara), and I picked his brain as to his recipe.  I've been following it since: 320 gms of water at 200 deg F, 25 grams of coffee, infusion time of 30 seconds and total pourover (including the 30 seconds) of 2:20.  I use a Hario Buono kettle.  However, even with a setting of 11 clicks (which I just made), it takes something like 3:30 for all the water to drip through, which makes me think that the grind is too coarse.  So how many clicks to you use?

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Posted Sun Sep 11, 2011, 1:39pm
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VictorSM Said:

How many clicks on a HMMS do you use for a V60 pourover?  I've been experimenting for a while and don't have it right.  Last month, I was in La Jolla, and visited Bird Rock Roasters.  Chuck, the owner, made me a marvelous pourover (Sidama Dara), and I picked his brain as to his recipe.  I've been following it since: 320 gms of water at 200 deg F, 25 grams of coffee, infusion time of 30 seconds and total pourover (including the 30 seconds) of 2:20.  I use a Hario Buono kettle.  However, even with a setting of 11 clicks (which I just made), it takes something like 3:30 for all the water to drip through, which makes me think that the grind is too coarse.  So how many clicks to you use?

Victor

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Whoops, I meant "I think that the grind is too *fine*"
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Posted Mon Sep 12, 2011, 7:24am
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Netphilosopher Said:

Victor,

here's the weird thing.  After modifications, the de-clicks change significantly.  Unmodified, for pourover or aeropress, I used about 8-9 de-clicks.  After modifications, I use more like 13, and where I used to use about 12 for press pot, I'm now using more than 17.  

I picked up a 2nd HMMS, and am trying to see if they are similar in grind, but initially I get the same results.  Unmodified, pourover or aeropress about 8-9 declicks (on the order of a Ditting 5 or ~500micron average), modified seems to need more burr clearance because of the improved particle distribution.

I can't quite explain it... yet.  ;-)

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Exactly the same for me as well, Netphilosopher. Unmodified, I was using 8-9 clicks for pour-over, 7 for aeropress, and 12-13 for press pot. But like you, I now use 12-13 clicks for pour-over and 17-18 clicks for press pot.

On another note, have you done any studies on optimal extraction parameters? What I mean is that I tend to make single cups of pour overs using 13grams of coffee with 180ml of 85-90C water. I'm beginning to think, though, that I'm not getting a great extraction with such little coffee and water. I do notice a slight improvement in taste when I double the amounts of coffee and water but not enough to warrant doing it for every individual pour over I make.
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Posted Mon Sep 12, 2011, 1:06pm
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I'm using 180ml and obtaining 170g of coffee.  I drink it straight. I've spent months experimenting with different ratios and temperatures and I've found that, for my tastes, a 1oz water to 2 grams of coffee at ~88 degrees works best for the pour overs. I am just curious what the numbers say. You have much more experience and knowledge in that area than I, and so was therefore interested to hear your thoughts. For example, my 13g/180ml = 7% brew ratio. What would you recommend as an ideal brew ratio?

Thanks!
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Posted Thu Sep 15, 2011, 9:03am
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Netphilosopher Said:

Added comments on extraction:

For independent parameter brew methods, like the Aeropress (inverted) or a Clover (good luck finding one of those machines), where you control the grind, the contact time, the brew ratio, and the brew water temperature, this works well enough - if you're checking the full range of parameters.

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Thanks for your detailed posts.  The problem that I'm wrestling with is getting the right grind from my HMMS.  Just this morning I used my HMMS set at 9 clicks.  The beans were Terroir Konga Yigracheffe, water at 200 deg F, 25 gms of beans, 320 gms of water, Hario V60, Hario Buono.  The total time it took for all the water to go through was perhaps 4 minutes.  The grounds left looked like mud.  I thought that the coffee tasted very good, but it was missing a lot of the subtlety.  I tried the 5.5% ratio with some Bird Rock Columbian Decaf last night (18 gms of coffee and 327 gms of 200 deg water) and an HMMS at 9 clicks.  While it tasted good, I thought that it was too weak.  When I've tried to back off the number of clicks to 12 the coffee still took a long time to go through (on the order of 3:30) but it tasted weak.  Any suggestions?

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Posted Thu Sep 15, 2011, 9:56am
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Just wanted to say thanks to all who posted their preferred amount of 'de-clicks'!

I received my mini mill in the mail (I heart alliteration) yesterday and this has been a fantastic starting point.  Been rather pleased with this even in the course settings.
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