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Posted Fri May 9, 2014, 1:59pm
Subject: notNeutral Gino
 

I have attempted to find more information regarding extraction with the new Gino dripper from notNeutral, particularly comparisons between the Gino and the Kalita Wave 185. I have yet to find anything.
So, I pose the question here.
Who has had experience with the Gino dripper?
What pros are there?
What cons?
How would you compare the extractions with the Kalita Wave?
What brew ratio(s) have you found for your favorite coffees?


I hope to purchase this new dripper, but would also like to get my hands on a Wave 185 soon and look forward to posting more about my likes and dislikes.
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Posted Thu Mar 19, 2015, 9:12am
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I find it interesting that there have been no replies to your info request from ten months ago.  I have a coffee friend in Pittsburgh who is quite excited about his Gino. I also noticed on the company website that they now offer their own filters, which, presumably, don't take as long to receive as the Kalita filters, nor as expensive.

Still, this device costs a little more than I think is warranted, and I'm from Missouri when it comes to comparisons with its various competitors that preceded it.
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Posted Fri Mar 20, 2015, 8:31am
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notNeutral is primarily a design company and its focus is there first. I would not expect it to be cutting edge performance wise but it does follow the same 3 hole premise as the kalita.
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Posted Fri Mar 20, 2015, 10:46am
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brianl Said:

notNeutral is primarily a design company and its focus is there first. I would not expect it to be cutting edge performance wise but it does follow the same 3 hole premise as the kalita.

Posted March 20, 2015 link

On the other hand, since notNeutral partly specializes in coffee gear and already has accomplished a very successful implementation of their Lino series in collaboration with Intelligentsia, I wouldn't be surprised if they got it right.

 
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Posted Fri Mar 20, 2015, 11:01am
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Java_Jiver Said:

... this device costs a little more than I think is warranted, and I'm from Missouri when it comes to comparisons with its various competitors that preceded it.

Posted March 19, 2015 link

The Gino dripper costs about the same as the Kalita Wave drippers. It costs $10 more than a smaller Hario glass dripper, which isn't an option for many who prefer a dripper that doesn't force you to get the grind size exactly right. It also costs more than plastic cones (again not an option for many). There may be other options out there in glass, metal, or ceramic, but only the ones with flat bottoms and a few small holes to restrict the flow are comparable.

Which reasonably priced comparable pourover device were you thinking of?

 
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Posted Fri Mar 20, 2015, 12:46pm
Subject: Re: notNeutral Gino
 

barkingburro Said:

The Gino dripper costs about the same as the Kalita Wave drippers. It costs $10 more than a smaller Hario glass dripper, which isn't an option for many who prefer a dripper that doesn't force you to get the grind size exactly right. It also costs more than plastic cones (again not an option for many). There may be other options out there in glass, metal, or ceramic, but only the ones with flat bottoms and a few small holes to restrict the flow are comparable.

Which reasonably priced comparable pourover device were you thinking of?

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Hey Barkingburro!

I JUST started using a Kalita Wave this week!  (i am basically still a newbie at enjoying GREAT coffee!)

I had been using a melitta plastic cone, a french press and a moka pot!

I had been getting really great results with the Melitta after figuring out grind.

The Kalita Wave seems to have a little more low tones (is that a correct term?) while the Melitta a little more high tones.

I like them both so far.
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Posted Sat Mar 21, 2015, 6:06pm
Subject: Re: notNeutral Gino
 

The collaboration with intelligentsia was for a cup, not a Brewer. They make splendid cups. I only use their cups these day. Been waiting on a good price for the meno.

I'm sure the construction of the Gino is amazing but it looks like bare bones Brewer tech
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Posted Sat Mar 21, 2015, 7:13pm
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brianl Said:

The collaboration with intelligentsia was for a cup, not a Brewer. They make splendid cups. I only use their cups these day. Been waiting on a good price for the meno.

I'm sure the construction of the Gino is amazing but it looks like bare bones Brewer tech

Posted March 21, 2015 link

Your points, taken together, seem questionable and even contradictory. First you state that you wouldn't expect notNeutral to make a dripper with cutting edge performance because they're merely a design company. Then you admit that their cups are splendid. Gosh, I think that qualifies as cutting edge, especially if you know the story behind the cup design.

Now you imply that designing a splendid cup in collaboration with experienced baristas has no bearing on the process for designing a great dripper. I disagree--it has everything to do with it. It means that notNeutral potentially has detail-oriented designers who can appreciate the specialized coffee knowledge they must import into their process. I don't know if you were aware of this, but notNeutral worked very closely with Intelligentsia staff and incorporated numerous details in their product. Eva Solo they're not (I mention Eva Solo because they produced a great brewer quite by accident, I believe. Eva Solo is a good example that fits your first point.).

But the contradiction comes when you now disparage the Gino brewer implementation as being "bare bones brewer tech". WTF? What's the distance between the "bare bones brewer tech" and the "cutting edge performance" you refer to? What specifically are you getting at? You have me completely stumped!

P.S. Brian, I'll admit I'm being an argumentative S.O.B. But my question above still stands. Thanks for your forebearance.

 
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Posted Sat Mar 21, 2015, 8:07pm
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At this point I'm just going to say I don't care. Enjoy. Please share your experiences when you get a Gino.

Here we go. No need to argue over its brewing merits anymore.

Click Here (sprudge.com)

Honestly, I was going to buy one if they ever sold the set with the black mug.
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Posted Sat Mar 21, 2015, 9:07pm
Subject: Re: notNeutral Gino
 

brianl Said:

At this point I'm just going to say I don't care. Enjoy. Please share your experiences when you get a Gino.

Here we go. No need to argue over its brewing merits anymore.

Click Here (sprudge.com)

Honestly, I was going to buy one if they ever sold the set with the black mug.

Posted March 21, 2015 link

Thanks for the link, Brian.
Sometimes posting on the 'net can lead to some confusion, but seems all worked out. I'm intrigued by the double walled glass, as I find my glass Kalita pours, as fine as they are often cool down below 165 by the time the 3:30 or so process is done. I also have a Bonavita Immersion thingy..a ceramic version of the Clever Brewer. I was originally pleased with it, but now find it drains a bit slower than I like, even with a regular drip grind. I may go for the "new kid on the block."

 
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