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Lindsey
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:09pm
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msboo Said:

but STILL got the Bonavita Thermal model. Since the filter basket sits directly on top of the carafe during brewing (glass model too), I just found it simpler to remove the basket after brewing, dump the grounds, rinse w/hot water then set it on the counter next to the brewer, carafe goes back on the brewer and we serve from there. We downsized so counter space is like expensive real estate. LOL  I considered the glass model since I have other thermal carafes and would work in the same amount of space BUT after decanting brew, I would need to rinse the carafe and filter basket, wait for heating plate to cool before putting all back on brewer---while hot coffee in older carafe would sit next to the brewer.

My BV carafe is glass-lined BUT I read on here that they've gone to stainless-lined carafes. I want a Brazen brewer for those times I don't need a full pot----suppose to brew smaller amounts better due to optional settings.

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I'm starting to lean towards the Bonavita.  It looks like they may have improved the product and customer service.   I still don't think I want the thermal.  I have an aversion to stainless steel lined carafes and to pour through lids and besides, I like my carafes and frequently have two in use at a time anyway.  

Hmmm, to me, 8 cups is a small amount :)
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Lindsey
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:11pm
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CMIN Said:

Bonavita is excellent and fairly cheap for what you get. Either way, do you have a grinder? Grinder and fresh roasted beans are a must, well not a must, but getting a Bonavita etc and not doing so is a complete waste (don't use preground or store bought beans with use by/best by dates)

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Grinding at home is not practical for us, so I just have the beans ground at the coffee shop.  We drink such a large volume that an open bag doesn't last a week, so I'm not worried.
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:11pm
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Lindsey Said:

I did not say recent...  All of the models I listed are quite old and were, for many years made in Germany.  Since their country of origin is stamped on the bottom, it's pretty easy to establish where they came from.

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I suppose if you can find an old machine, cheap enough, in good enough shape.  What's a ten year old auto-drip worth?  Ten, fifteen bucks maybe?  

Given the advances that have come along in auto-drip brewing, if I could afford a better modern machine, that's how I'd roll.  But different people have different priorities.  

Most consumer coffee machine manufacture has moved to China or other parts of the race to the bottom of the labor costs third world.  Like it or not, that's how it is with most consumer electronics.  If you want something built in Europe, you're free to buy a Technivorm.    

I'm curious, is there a reason you did not list the Bonavita?  They claim to have SCAA certification.

I thought they did, looked at the SCAA webpage which lists the "approved" machines, and was thinking Bonavita when I wrote Behmor.  Just a dumb, ADD error.  My bad.  Consider my post corrected.  

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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:21pm
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msboo Said:

my Krups, along with all mass marketed brewers (like you've mentioned using) DO NOT brew hot enough. It brewed canned stuff just fine but fresh roasted & ground NOT.

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I think this varies quite a lot from one model to the next.  Krups has also suffered a serious decline in quality in recent years.  I researched mine before buying it. It made pretty good coffee and brewed a heck of a lot hotter than this Black & Decker piece of $%*!.  

I don't really mind spending $150 on a good machine, I was just scared off by a number of reviews that included complaints about common parts failures and abysmal customer service.  I don't want to spend $150 to have nothing but trouble.
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:28pm
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boar_d_laze Said:

I suppose if you can find an old machine, cheap enough, in good enough shape.  What's a ten year old auto-drip worth?  Ten, fifteen bucks maybe?  

Given the advances that have come along in auto-drip brewing, if I could afford a better modern machine, that's how I'd roll.  

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Actually, the ones with a good reputation, in good condition, go, on average, for $35-60.

I think you're getting to the heart of my question about buying used.  You're saying there have been significant advances auto drip brewing in the last, what, 10-15 years?  If that's the case, if it's true that none of these older machines, no matter how highly rated, can possibly compare to these new SCAA machines, then I suppose that's what I'm looking for.
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:32pm
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Lindsey Said:

Grinding at home is not practical for us, so I just have the beans ground at the coffee shop.  We drink such a large volume that an open bag doesn't last a week, so I'm not worried.

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Not practical? All you do is put beans in a grinder and turn it on :) Using preground even if from a  eal coffee shop that roast their own or carries roasters (not Charbucks etc), your drinking stale beans as they start stailing around 15 min or so. Be like buying a Porsche (Bonavita) and throwing some suv tires on, sure you'll get around... but why, your not going to use it to it's potential ;)

Nothing against your Krups, but anything from a store is pretty junk, poor brewing and not right temps. Fresh beans ground before use, and a Bonavita and you'll see a huge difference in coffee. Fresh beans still make a big difference though, we stay at a friends in Cali and they just have a Mr Coffee, I buy some fresh beans out there and have a Hario Mini for traveling to grind, night and day difference even on that machine vs preground.
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:42pm
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CMIN Said:

Not practical? All you do is put beans in a grinder and turn it on :) Using preground even if from a  eal coffee shop that roast their own or carries roasters (not Charbucks etc), your drinking stale beans as they start stailing around 15 min or so. Be like buying a Porsche (Bonavita) and throwing some suv tires on, sure you'll get around... but why, your not going to use it to it's potential ;)

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We keep different schedules, waking someone up while grinding coffee beans would start WWIII in our house.
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 5:56pm
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Lindsey.....  Just saw your last post, it got on before I finished my last (phone call distraction) so that's back about 4 posts.

So you guys get fresh grounds at a local coffee shop that brewed good for you with your Krups. One thing you might consider is to buy a Technivorm from William Sonoma and try that out. Technivorm and Bonavita are similar in side by side taste tests, both brew great coffee at 40oz capacity in that 5.5 to 6 minute time frame and in proper temp range. I tried a Technivorm and loved the coffee but preferred the Bonavita for simplicity/practicality----I returned the Tech to my local WS store. Who knows, you may just find the Tech is a keeper!
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Posted Wed Apr 2, 2014, 10:00pm
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I have some older Krups, Braun, and Melitta machines. Most of these came from thrift stores that  let me test them first with water and cost between 2 and 5 bucks. The KF-180 is nice, but the Braun KF400 is easier to find and will make a good pot of coffee. Older Melitta machines don't turn up very often in my area but the ones I have are nice in my opinion. I use a 4 cup Krups machine almost daily so I like that brand too.

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Thu Apr 3, 2014, 6:30am
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Lindsey.... I've read a few posts here where grinding just prior to brewing might be too noisy due to others still sleeping so those posters were considering grinding the night before. Can't tell you how that works for them. I will have to say that I've had to grab my coffee 'stuff' last minute, run to my daughter's house then brew there---doing a pour-over. No choice but to grind before leaving so put grounds in a small Ball canning jar---great to have fresh coffee 30 mins later, turned out fine. Another time I tried grounds that were 24 hours old, brewed up pretty good. Grinding the night before is far better than grounds 2 plus days old.

ALWAYS BEST to use fresh roast, grind just prior to brewing at proper temp range!
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