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Joseph1903
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Posted Mon Dec 30, 2013, 11:04pm
Subject: What grinder to choose?
 

Hello everyone, I have at home a moka pot that I bought last week! I'm excited. I'm only starting in this world of coffee, so I would like to know what coffee grinder should I buy? Is there specific ones? More expensive = better coffee?

For now I have only gridded Starbuck coffee that my brother bought me as a gift. I live in the Middle East and we do not have Starbucks here. Anyway the taste of the coffee isn't good and I've read that it comes from the grinding of the beans. So I want to invest in order to grind own coffee.

Thank you everyone.
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Espresso: ECM Vene. A1, La Cimbali M32
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Drip: Msl. Com. brewers
Roaster: gave it a try, decided no
Posted Tue Dec 31, 2013, 2:50am
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Say thank you to your brother then when he leaves, grind it up and put it in the flowers, don't bother trying to make coffee with it.
For the most part, Starbucks beans are over roasted, think burnt and always stale. Coffee stales quickly, about two weeks FROM THE DAY IT WAS ROASTED not a use before or best by date.

A reasonable grinder for a moka pot would just be  a quality non espresso burr grinder. Hand powered they are under $100 US, for a non espresso grinder, think $150 to $250. It is all about the consistency that the grinder puts out.

A good grinder will make all the grinds the same size with very little dust produced. If you have big boulders of grounds and you have dust mixed in, the dust will over extract and get very nasty very quickly while the big boulders of grounds will never give up their goodness in the time of the brew.

How much are you budgeting for a grinder?

 
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Joseph1903
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Posted Tue Dec 31, 2013, 3:56am
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Hi, thanks for the answer. I don't have really a budget, I don't want something too fancy, just enough for my wife and I to enjoy good coffee..

So  I need to choose a grinder that will make little dust. Ok, I'll look for it.
Now this might sound very rookie but what coffee beans would you recommend to use for moka pot?
Thank you for your help.
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canuckcoffeeguy
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Posted Tue Dec 31, 2013, 8:20am
Subject: Re: What grinder to choose?
 

Hi there. I have a Bialetti Brikka moka pot and typically use espresso blends, but some drip blends also work nicely. The beauty of a moka pot is that itís very forgiving in terms of blend and grind. Although, there are some tips to get a better brew that is less bitter and doesnít burn the coffee.

A few years ago, before I understood the importance of fresh beans and a good grinder, I used the standard Italian blends found in supermarkets that are used in moka pots in many Italian households (e.g. Illy, Lavazza etc.)

However, forget those stale brands unless you absolutely canít get any fresh beans anywhere where you are in Israel. They will be better than no coffee at all, but fresh beans will be MUCH better.

Iím not familiar with whatís available where you live in terms of fresh beans and coffee equipment. But, as a person who now only uses fresh micro roaster beans, and a quality burr grinder to grind them right before brewing, I recommend that you do the same. You will certainly notice a big difference.

However, this all depends on what is available where you live, either at local roasters or cafes. The easiest would be to find a local roaster where you can go in person, ask them about their beans, sample them, build a relationship with them, and buy beans fresh(1 or 2 days after roasting). Or, perhaps, you might be able to order by mail from roasters in the region or Europe, if they deliver by courier quickly and imports arenít too restricted because of what I imagine is tight security covering anything coming in and out of your country.

As for a quality burr grinder, if youíre ok with hand grinding, you can get by with something like a Hario Slim or Hario Skerton for around $40.00 (in Canada and U.S. dollars) This will take you about 2 minutes of frenzied muscle twisting. But, as people have already said, if you want a motorized grinder, you will need to spend a minimum of $150.00 on something like a Baratza Encore or better.

Since, in this forum, weíre not really familiar with whatís available in Israel in terms of beans and equipment, I would suggest posting some website links to retailers that are available to you there. Then we can see what beans and equipment are available and make some suggestions to you. This would rapidly speed up the process of helping you.

CCG
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CoffeeNark
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Posted Tue Dec 31, 2013, 12:10pm
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There is a guy that wrote a review on Amazon for the Bialetti Moka Express  and he provided some great instructions.  Here it is:

Click Here (www.amazon.com)

Be sure to read the comments below his review.

I used one for a short time.  It was OK but I decided to stop drinking unfiltered coffee.
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JKalpin
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Location: Thornhill, Ontario Canada
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Espresso: Aerobie Aeropress
Grinder: Baratza Maestro Plus
Vac Pot: Yama 5-Cup
Drip: Krups Moka Brew, BraZen
Roaster: Freshroast+8, Behmor 1600
Posted Wed Jan 1, 2014, 10:00am
Subject: Re: What grinder to choose?
 

Joseph,

in my family we have 5 or 6 Baratza coffee grinders.  For your purposes, their Encore would probably work well and it is their lowest cost model.
Click here for information.  We have had problems with them on 2 occasions;  in each case it was not a fault of the grinder;  we had a small pebble in the beans and stripped a gear in the drive-train.

Why I recommend it for your case is that Baratza grinders can be repaired at home with simple tools.  They ship repair parts out quickly and they are not expensive. They also send great instructions.  The last time I did a repair the cost was around CAN$11.00 + shipping and handling.  Remember that shipping costs are high these days;  if you have to send something away for repair, you might as well buy a new one instead.  

Beyond that, making 'good' coffee is an exercise in fine-tuning.  It might take you awhile to get it right.  Usually, it is either too weak or too strong.  To keep my taste-buds tuned up, I regularly visit my local AROMA Coffee Bar (you have them in Israel).  Their coffee is not as good as mine but it is decent and very consistent.

About what beans to buy, you might want to spend some time at Sweet Maria's web-site.  Click here.  While they sell mostly green coffee beans they are truly an encyclopedia of information of coffee from every corner of the globe.  They Öjust might... get you interested in roasting.

 
Jerry
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