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Luzer
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Posted Thu Nov 7, 2013, 9:41am
Subject: Best Way to Find Grind Size for a Baratza Vario?
 

I've been using my Baratza Vario for about 6 months now and only a few of the coffees that I made with it were ok. They were either to acidity or bitter so I changed the grid size to adjust it and, to make the story short, haven't found the proper grind size. Between the French Press, Aropress, and my drop machine the smooth "coffee" flavor still alludes me. I subscribe to Craft Coffee and I believe that I'm not getting the most out of it because my technique needs to be refined. On to my question.

I was thinking of doing an 8 or 10 coffee cupping with different grind sizes with the Starbucks Pikes Place (I know, I know, but it's where I started) and once I find a grind size I like then repeat the process with of the recent bags from Craft Coffee. Is there a better way find what size I should grind the beans to and what number would you start out at? I seem to be at 7-8/P-Q for drip coffee. I know each coffee is different but I might get a starting point?

Is the flavor from cupping completely different from what I will get from a French Press or a drip machine?

I believe I'm around 30g per oz of water but its been month or two since I measured.
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Posted Thu Nov 7, 2013, 9:47am
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Do you have the ceramic or steel burrs? If your grinding coarse only, you need the steel burrs. The ceramic set is really for espresso and though it can grind coarse, not as good. Any good shops around you besides Starbucks? You can see what their grinding for pour over, press, drip etc, and maybe have them grind some for each to take home and try to replicate at home.
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Posted Thu Nov 7, 2013, 10:22am
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I they are ceramic but I'll have to check. Any other place to get them besides Baratza website?

I think there is two places by me. I'll check them out and see what they can do. Thanks for the tip.
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Posted Thu Nov 7, 2013, 12:01pm
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Luzer Said:

I've been using my Baratza Vario for about 6 months now and only a few of the coffees that I made with it were ok. They were either to acidity or bitter so I changed the grid size to adjust it and, to make the story short, haven't found the proper grind size. Between the French Press, Aropress, and my drop machine the smooth "coffee" flavor still alludes me. I subscribe to Craft Coffee and I believe that I'm not getting the most out of it because my technique needs to be refined. On to my question.

I was thinking of doing an 8 or 10 coffee cupping with different grind sizes with the Starbucks Pikes Place (I know, I know, but it's where I started) and once I find a grind size I like then repeat the process with of the recent bags from Craft Coffee. Is there a better way find what size I should grind the beans to and what number would you start out at? I seem to be at 7-8/P-Q for drip coffee. I know each coffee is different but I might get a starting point?

Is the flavor from cupping completely different from what I will get from a French Press or a drip machine?

I believe I'm around 30g per oz of water but its been month or two since I measured.

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Not bashing Starbucks but I have noticed they tend to over roast their coffee.. This makes the taste bitter which is what your experiencing.  To really be able to grasp good coffee taste id ignore Starbucks and use Crafts coffee.  As an example I mainly roast light to medium and almost never experience bitterness in the cup.  Well unless I'm dialing back into espresso with my grinder.
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Posted Thu Nov 7, 2013, 1:55pm
Subject: Re: Best Way to Find Grind Size for a Baratza Vario?
 

I just installed the steel burrs in my Vario and I'm dialing in the grind for drip/pourover.  I've been using a setting of 5P. So far, I like the results (using a Technivorm). I might go a little finer on the Micro setting, just to see the flavor effect. By the way, with the ceramic burrs I used a 6P grind. That's the only difference, just a notch higher on the Macro. There's definitely a flavor difference with the steel burrs, almost no bitterness to speak of. Good luck!
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Posted Wed Nov 20, 2013, 10:39am
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Instead of getting the steal burrs I think it would be more cost effective to get a new grinder just for drip machine. Is there a good one for around the same price of the burr's? I dont like the idea of having to change out and adjust every time I want drip coffee.
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Posted Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:14am
Subject: Re: Best Way to Find Grind Size for a Baratza Vario?
 

Luzer Said:

Instead of getting the steal burrs I think it would be more cost effective to get a new grinder just for drip machine. Is there a good one for around the same price of the burr's? I dont like the idea of having to change out and adjust every time I want drip coffee.

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Unless I missed it, you only mention grinding for coarse needs and not espresso. If you not making espresso with the Vario, the steel burrs would be way better then buying a cheap drip grinder. The steel set was designed specifically for drip, french press etc.
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Posted Wed Nov 20, 2013, 11:22am
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I plan on getting an espresso machine in the really near future so that's why I left it out.
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Posted Wed Nov 20, 2013, 1:15pm
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Luzer Said:

I plan on getting an espresso machine in the really near future so that's why I left it out.

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Ahh, depends on what you would want to spend, keeping the Vario for espresso is perfect as it kicks ass for espresso. For coarse, the Encore is the cheapest "good" coarse grinder imo, but the Virtuoso is pry the best overall coarse grinder for the money as it has the Preciso burr set which rocks for coarse grinding. Be cool to match your Vario too lol.
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