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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 7:11am
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barkingburro Said:

I have to disagree, categorically.  The kitchenboy review is far more detailed, more revealing of the pros and cons, and more nuanced than the other review.  Readers should look at both reviews and make up their own mind.

Posted September 12, 2013 link

The kitchenboy was a puff piece for the iCoffee.   Accolading the "crema" advertising hoax is laughable and disingenuous to actually educating the public to what crema really is.  

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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 7:39am
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

I disagree.  The reviewer was attempting to disparage an apparent SCAA approved drip brewer and in the comparison inflate the pros of the iCoffee.  I say put up or shut up.

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Posted September 13, 2013 link

No, you have just done that.
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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 7:41am
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

The kitchenboy was a puff piece for the iCoffee.   Accolading the "crema" advertising hoax is laughable and disingenuous to actually educating the public to what crema really is.  

Len

Posted September 13, 2013 link

Am I reading a different review, no mention of "SCAA approved drip brewers" or "crema" in the kitchenboy article I read?
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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 7:44am
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MWJB Said:

Am I reading a different review, no mention of "SCAA approved drip brewers" or "crema" in the kitchenboy article I read?

Posted September 13, 2013 link

Direct from article on kitchenboy:
"The head to head drip brewer was against a nationally available brand-name international company (I won’t say who), but this company is one of the top 2 or 3 drip machines you can buy."

There are currently 3 SCAA cerfified drip brewers.  The insinuation is there.

The crema issue is illustrated with images in the review apparently copied from iCoffee ads.

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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 7:50am
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MWJB Said:

No, you have just done that.

Posted September 13, 2013 link

If the reviewer does not have the confidence in listing the names of the actual drip brewers being compared there should not be a comparison review done.  

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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 10:25am
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Someone is certainly reading a bit too much into the reviews.  To paraphrase what I said before, I think the reader can easily ascertain which review is the puff piece and which is the more critical.

 
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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 11:17am
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barkingburro Said:

Someone is certainly reading a bit too much into the reviews.  To paraphrase what I said before, I think the reader can easily ascertain which review is the puff piece and which is the more critical.

Posted September 13, 2013 link

It is our job as CoffeeGeeks to look hard at reviews, the people or companies that are doing the reviewing, and be critical and also point out potential flaws in the reviews.  To make an analogy, lets apply the kitchenboy review scenario I have criticized and apply it to a sports car review.  The new car in the bunch is the iWIDGET sports car:

"The head to head sports car match was against a nationally available brand-name international company (I won’t say who), but this company is one of the top 2 or 3 sports cars you can buy."

Then the reviewer goes on to state how the iWIDGET car is better in many critical areas than the unnamed sports car it is being compared against.

I'd hope that a person wouldn't base a buying decision in favor of the iWIDGET based upon that comparison review.  If they did they would surely be doing themself a disservice.

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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 2:55pm
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Seems this topic has taken a sidetrack due to the Kitchenboy link I posted.  My apologies.  Every person can read the same article and take something different from it, which seems to be the case here.  I look forward to trying out the iCoffee and making my own determination of its worthiness.
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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 3:17pm
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CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

I cannot recall a time that I had good restaurant coffee.  In fact my experience has been that the main issue with their coffee is their not using filtered water.  Nothing is worse than tasting chlorine or high iron content in the water.  On top of that most let their coffees sit on the burner till sludge.  I never get restaurant coffee any more.

Len

Posted September 5, 2013 link

+1. Len.
Abacus, there are so many inaccuracies in your posting (aside from your statement regarding restaurant coffee as a "standard" to compare FGOOD coffee to) that I had to respond.
With all the paraphernalia you claim to have used, to say you can't make an excellent cup, better than ANY RESTAURANT says one of 2 things:
You use lousy coffee, or You don't know how to operate your equipment properly.
I shudder to think it could be BOTH.

BTW, my "attitude" has nothing to do with being a so called "Sr member." In 6 months, YOU'LL be a Sr member.
I simply read what you presented in your post, and questioned the method by which you made your determination.
Mentioning restaurant quality as a standard rang the " uh oh" bell.
As you've seen, I'm not the only poster who has responded to that comment negatively.

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Posted Fri Sep 13, 2013, 5:09pm
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IMAWriter Said:

Abacus, ... With all the paraphernalia you claim to have used, to say you can't make an excellent cup, better than ANY RESTAURANT says one of 2 things:
You use lousy coffee, or You don't know how to operate your equipment properly.

Posted September 13, 2013 link

IMAWriter, you hit on a point that I've been waiting for others to bring up, but I'll have to [...one sec...] try to [...ugh!...almost got it...] remove the value judgement first [there, got it!].  The point is, if one assumes abacus knows what he likes, and taking into account his obvious departure from typical coffeegeek standards of freshness and quality, then, in combination with the reviews, one can conclude that the iCoffee does a great job in maximizing flavor of the roasty kind, while minimizing bitterness.

Thus, a more "third wave flavor profile" revealing cup, produced by the trifecta or a well-executed pour-over or siphon, etc., might not taste as pleasant using the same coffee.  Why? Because the coffee/roast is not a prime example of yielding those oils, spices, acidity,etc., that many geeks find pleasant, while it still has plenty of roasty flavor to give up.  The balance, due to lack of freshness or whatever, doesn't hold up under a third wave microscope, in a manner of speaking.

So, again without placing value judgements on the type of coffee abacus prefers, I can accept that there are qualities to some coffee roasts that some of us might appreciate, when the high steam/turbulence process of the iCoffee is applied to them.

And honestly, all the value judgement and dismissal is getting a little tiring to me.  Not going to argue the latter point with you.  If you're fired up about it, who am I to speak for the majority?

*** Addendum 9-20-2013: Well, I was almost as good as my word.  See later post. ***

 
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