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Posted Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:02pm
Subject: Taming Static with the Baratza Virtuoso
 

Hi all,

I just received my refurbished Baratza Virtuoso 586 earlier this week. I'm surprised by the amount of grounds that are retained due to static build up - between 1 and 2 grams. I have both a cheap blade grinder and a Hario Mini Mill Slim and neither of them retain the amount of grounds that the Virtuoso does. There's also quite a bit of grounds that scatter around my counter top when I pour the grounds from the bin into the coffee filter. Does anyone else experience this issue and what have you done to tame the static build up?

Thanks!
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Posted Sat Aug 24, 2013, 2:52pm
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How dark is the coffee you are grinding? I have no static issues at all on mine while grinding light roasted stuff, and I lose about a tenth of a gram.
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Posted Sat Aug 24, 2013, 9:07pm
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squaremile Said:

How dark is the coffee you are grinding? I have no static issues at all on mine while grinding light roasted stuff, and I lose about a tenth of a gram.

Posted August 24, 2013 link

I've ground two dark roasts so far: a Nicaraguan from a local roaster and Pete's Major Dickason's Blend.
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Posted Sat Aug 24, 2013, 10:44pm
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Well obviously a Hario Slim will have like 0 retention lol (I have one too), as it's a small hand grinder and grinds drop immediately into the bottom container, and a blade grinder all the mashed up bean grinds are left on the top and you just dump them out.

Static could be a number of things, but even if it's a gram or two, that's actually very low and a positive to the Barataza line (the low retention in all their grinders). Other grinders can have like 3-4 X that amount retained regardless of static. But darker roast will be affected more (by static) and depends on your weather conditions. South FL is humid and usually the summer time I get more retention, but I grind 16g doses (single dosing) and always get like 15.8-16.1 or so, sometimes a little more or a little less, today had one dose that said 15.5g when I weighed the bin, I just threw 1 bean in and tipped the grinder and weighed at 16g after. In the winter time, it's almost always accurate to .1 gram especially if using say a medium roast.

I'm guessing the Nica is dark as a lot of people roast that dark, and Pete's is almost always too dark teetering on burnt.

You could try the RDT (ross droplet technique on home-barista). Some put a drop or two of water with the beans or lightly spritz with one of those small alcohol bottle to tame static in other grinders.
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Posted Sun Aug 25, 2013, 11:46am
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PandaMatic Said:

I just received my refurbished Baratza Virtuoso 586 earlier this week. I'm surprised by the amount of grounds that are retained due to static build up - between 1 and 2 grams. I have both a cheap blade grinder and a Hario Mini Mill Slim and neither of them retain the amount of grounds that the Virtuoso does. There's also quite a bit of grounds that scatter around my counter top when I pour the grounds from the bin into the coffee filter. Does anyone else experience this issue and what have you done to tame the static build up?

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I have 4 similar Baratza grinders in my family and non of us seem to have a static problem as you describe.

…and I know all about static from my old Braun grinder.  Grinds were everywhere, on the counter, on the floor and …on me.

What Baratza recommended was that periodically I should wash out the plastic hopper with a bit of liquid soap and water.  Their hoppers are treated with some sort of anti-static coating and should not go in the dishwasher.  If, after washing, your hopper still has gram quantities of grinds still sticking to it, you might consider ordering a new hopper.  It should not be too expensive.

 
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Posted Sun Aug 25, 2013, 12:37pm
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Thank you both for the tips. They're sending me a new bin for an unrelated reason. (The bin looks like it's seen better days, so my guess is that the previous owner didn't care for it properly.) I'll be trying the RDT in the meantime, but hopefully a the new bin solves the problem. :)
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Posted Mon Aug 26, 2013, 7:39pm
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Thanks, the RDT actually works. On a related note, I received the new bin today, and sadly, while in much better shape, the grounds retention left a lot to be desired.

Netphilosopher, once you spray the beans, do you shake them up to get the water more evenly coated over each surface? I've read some posts where people seem to be advocating that particular technique, so just curious.
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Posted Sat Aug 31, 2013, 9:46am
Subject: Re: Taming Static with the Baratza Virtuoso
 

This came up some years back with another Baratza grinder and inspired this string:  "What a mess..."

In the string I showed how I tamed the static in a POC pseudo burr machine which was as bad as the infamous Braun.  It is still a POC grinder but static is no longer an issue.

Phil

PandaMatic Said:

Hi all,

I just received my refurbished Baratza Virtuoso 586 earlier this week. I'm surprised by the amount of grounds that are retained due to static build up - between 1 and 2 grams. I have both a cheap blade grinder and a Hario Mini Mill Slim and neither of them retain the amount of grounds that the Virtuoso does. There's also quite a bit of grounds that scatter around my counter top when I pour the grounds from the bin into the coffee filter. Does anyone else experience this issue and what have you done to tame the static build up?

Thanks!

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