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Posted Fri Jun 21, 2013, 11:40pm
Subject: Re: Breville YouBrew v. Technivorm, BonaVita, or Behmor Brazen
 

coffeeguydenton Said:

... they used the inboard grinder for the YouBrew and a much better grinder for the others...

Posted June 21, 2013 link

For drip brewing with a paper filter I suspect the onboard grinder is more than adequate...

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 7:37am
Subject: Re: Breville YouBrew v. Technivorm, BonaVita, or Behmor Brazen
 

EricBNC Said:

For drip brewing with a paper filter I suspect the onboard grinder is more than adequate...

Posted June 21, 2013 link

Whether or not the inboard grinder is adequate was not my point.  If you are trying to do a head to head comparison of the brewers, you need to control all other variables.  Even if the inboard grinder is great, if the grind setting is different, it will change the flavor profile.  The only way to properly compare the brewers is to use paper filters on all of them and use the same grinder at the same grind setting.  That is the comparison I am looking for.
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 8:41am
Subject: Re: Breville YouBrew v. Technivorm, BonaVita, or Behmor Brazen
 

coffeeguydenton Said:

Whether or not the inboard grinder is adequate was not my point.  If you are trying to do a head to head comparison of the brewers, you need to control all other variables.  Even if the inboard grinder is great, if the grind setting is different, it will change the flavor profile.  The only way to properly compare the brewers is to use paper filters on all of them and use the same grinder at the same grind setting.  That is the comparison I am looking for.

Posted June 22, 2013 link

You are saying that the built in grinder should be out of the picture, but from what I can get out of your original post is that it would be an essential part of the equation.  In that respect you should only compare coffee makers that have built in grinders.  Following is a great list of available built in grinder coffee makers listed on Wholelattalove:
Click Here (www.wholelattelove.com)

Note that I have no experience with wholelattelove and I am not shilling for them.  They are the 1st company that came up on NSA spy site google under "built in grinder".  Their list looks good, so there it is.

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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 11:31am
Subject: Re: Breville YouBrew v. Technivorm, BonaVita, or Behmor Brazen
 

CoffeeRoastersClub Said:

You are saying that the built in grinder should be out of the picture, but from what I can get out of your original post is that it would be an essential part of the equation.  In that respect you should only compare coffee makers that have built in grinders.  Following is a great list of available built in grinder coffee makers listed on Wholelattalove:
Click Here (www.wholelattelove.com)

Note that I have no experience with wholelattelove and I am not shilling for them.  They are the 1st company that came up on NSA spy site google under "built in grinder".  Their list looks good, so there it is.

Len

Posted June 22, 2013 link

I'm clearly not doing a good job of communicating my point.  I would use the grinder at times if I had it available.  But that really isn't going to play into my decision.  The most important thing is a good brewer. If the YouBrew makes a cup of coffee that is close to the others, then the added convenience of the grinder would be nice for the occasions that I need it, but I would still use my Preciso for most of the grinding.  So what I want to know is how it holds up for the times I will be using the Preciso to grind my coffee.
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:17pm
Subject: Re: Breville YouBrew v. Technivorm, BonaVita, or Behmor Brazen
 

coffeeguydenton Said:

I'm clearly not doing a good job of communicating my point.  I would use the grinder at times if I had it available.  But that really isn't going to play into my decision.  The most important thing is a good brewer. If the YouBrew makes a cup of coffee that is close to the others, then the added convenience of the grinder would be nice for the occasions that I need it, but I would still use my Preciso for most of the grinding.  So what I want to know is how it holds up for the times I will be using the Preciso to grind my coffee.

Posted June 22, 2013 link

As a suggestion maybe take a step back and look at your posts from another persons standpoint.  What sticks out is your need for a built in grinder:

"It may not be logical to buy a Grind and Brew when you plan on using a separate grinder, but I have my reasons for considering it.  Basically, the convenience for my wife, and the fact that I have to leave the house around 3:30 some mornings, and would appreciate every extra moment of sleep on those mornings (hence the convenience of being able to set the Grind and Brew and not having to pre-grind coffee)."

"I am looking for a brewer to fill the gap when I don't have time. ... but I would rather buy one that meets my needs while providing the convenience that my wife cares about."

"I would use the grinder at times if I had it available."

The Technivorm, Bonavita, and Brazen should really be scratched from your list of potentials for autostart w/ grinding function.  I believe you can get autostart on the Brazen, but it has no grinder.  A possibility maybe?  Maybe you should focus on taste comparisons between the YouBrew using autostart w/grinding function, and Brazen filled with pre-ground coffee beans, the time of grinding to use factor being determined by the amount of time between when you would normally go to sleep and the time you would normally wake up.  I seriously doubt you will find such a comparison, but that would be the proper way to do your taste test.

Len

 
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 12:57pm
Subject: Re: Breville YouBrew v. Technivorm, BonaVita, or Behmor Brazen
 

Len,

While I do appreciate that you are trying to help, it seems like you arguing with me about what I meant in my original post.  I admit I did not clearly communicate what I am looking for.  That does not change the fact that I am not asking what you say I am asking.  I specifically want to know how the YouBrew compares to the others as a brewer, putting the grind and brew feature aside.  That is really all i am asking.
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 2:04pm
Subject: Re: Breville YouBrew v. Technivorm, BonaVita, or Behmor Brazen
 

coffeeguydenton Said:

Whether or not the inboard grinder is adequate was not my point.  If you are trying to do a head to head comparison of the brewers, you need to control all other variables.  Even if the inboard grinder is great, if the grind setting is different, it will change the flavor profile.  The only way to properly compare the brewers is to use paper filters on all of them and use the same grinder at the same grind setting.  That is the comparison I am looking for.

Posted June 22, 2013 link

I think you might have mistaken the intention of my post too - I don't have hands on experience with the YouBrew but others that have agree it can make decent coffee. You stated the YouBrew grinder was inferior to the others used in the test but my point is that for filter drip the difference would be small if even noticeable at all. I have a grinder that uses the same burr set and find the results to be satisfactory.

I agree in the video the judge has a bias to paper filters but forget for a moment about that - she does not say the coffee is too cool, over extracted, etc so the machine performed and met a minimum standard that matched the other units in the test - this part is not subjective and is worth looking at. For subjectivity, your wife and you may prefer the perm filter (I like them) over paper but that is a function of the coffee brewer (you) not the coffee brewer (machine)...

 
I chew coffee beans with my teeth while gargling with 195 F water to enjoy coffee. What is this "coffee brewing" device you speak of?
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 2:43pm
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EricBNC Said:

I think you might have mistaken the intention of my post too - I don't have hands on experience with the YouBrew but others that have agree it can make decent coffee. You stated the YouBrew grinder was inferior to the others used in the test but my point is that for filter drip the difference would be small if even noticeable at all. I have a grinder that uses the same burr set and find the results to be satisfactory.

I agree in the video the judge has a bias to paper filters but forget for a moment about that - she does not say the coffee is too cool, over extracted, etc so the machine performed and met a minimum standard that matched the other units in the test - this part is not subjective and is worth looking at. For subjectivity, your wife and you may prefer the perm filter (I like them) over paper but that is a function of the coffee brewer (you) not the coffee brewer (machine)...

Posted June 22, 2013 link

I guess that makes sense.  I suppose no one has really done the comparison I am asking for as they really are a different class of machine.  I was just curious if anyone out there had tried both and had any thoughts.
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Posted Sat Jun 22, 2013, 3:11pm
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coffeeguydenton Said:

I guess that makes sense.  I suppose no one has really done the comparison I am asking for as they really are a different class of machine.  I was just curious if anyone out there had tried both and had any thoughts.

Posted June 22, 2013 link

I already posted I used both, wasn't really a head to head over multiple drinks though. But my neighbor has the Youbrew, and the same beans I used on the Techno I gave to him (got him hooked on fresh coffee lol) and couldn't really tell a difference. I know some will say what they want about Breville, but the Youbrew is really good. I would pry still go for a Techno or Bonavita with a seperate grinder but thats just me, someone looking for fresh brew and convenience (built in grinder is Smart Grinder burrs I think which is more then enough for coarse) would have a hard time beating the Youbrew and its features.

Haven't used the Brazen.

Think cuznvin on here has a Youbrew
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Posted Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:13pm
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Hi,
I have used all these brewers. If you want coffee ready for when you get up then the Breville is great. It takes a bit of time to clean but makes awesome coffee. If you want to use a separate grinder and pregrind your coffee then get the Brazen. It can be programmed as well. If you like pour overs then get a Zojirushi water heater on a timer. That way you have hot water ready to go when you wake up.
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