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jpender
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Posted Tue Apr 30, 2013, 5:26pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

I've never really been sure what "just-off-boil" means exactly. Ten seconds? Twenty? Doesn't it matter if it's in an open top 250ml plastic cup versus a closed 2 liter kettle?

There are lots of things I haven't tried. I could match grind, brew ratio, and the approximate brewing time of my moka pot with my Aeropress. They're already both metal filtered. Matching the brew temperature would be the most problematic part. How would you do that?

I'm not sure it makes sense to try and make my Aeropress into a faux moka pot. I just want more out of it, if it's possible.
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Posted Tue Apr 30, 2013, 6:52pm
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paulbel Said:

if you still have my email, Alan, send me a note off-board and tell me when and where you talked at Google and I'll ask my daughter about it.

Posted April 30, 2013 link

Hi Paul,

I clicked on the "email" box below your post which brings up paulbel@wimsey.com but that address didn't work a few days ago.

Perhaps you should email me, alan@aerobie.com.

My talk at google was Feb 21.

Alan
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Posted Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:34pm
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That email should work, Alan.

And I did receive the email you sent to me at that address from your att account. I'll reply further off list.
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Posted Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:17pm
Subject: Re: Aerobie Aeropress
 

"Off boil" for me is as fast as I can get the kettle to the AP after turning off the burner. I get as much water as I can into the AP, then stir vigorously, then get as much more water in as I can, then insert the plunger and pull back to stop any drip-through. I can effect some variation in flavor by varying the amount of stirring and steep time before final plunge; using cooler water just dulls the brew, in my experience.
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 12:57pm
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derevaun Said:

"Off boil" for me is as fast as I can get the kettle to the AP after turning off the burner. I get as much water as I can into the AP, then stir vigorously, then get as much more water in as I can, then insert the plunger and pull back to stop any drip-through. I can effect some variation in flavor by varying the amount of stirring and steep time before final plunge; using cooler water just dulls the brew, in my experience.

Posted April 30, 2013 link

So your standard method for brewing in the Aeropress is to use water as close to boiling as you can get?

Wow. No, I have not tried that.
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 1:07pm
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Netphilosopher Said:

I was suggesting filtration of the moka pot in case you're getting taste notes from the inevitable moka pot fines.  I suppose conversely, you could use a paper filter and press firmly to get an unclarified version of an AP and see if some of the "character" you're missing is possibly in the fines.

Posted May 1, 2013 link

I've been using a standard Able Disk in the Aeropress. Not sure, but it seems less opaque than the moka coffee, although the strength is usually lower.

Filter the moka by pressing it through an AP paper, see if the apricot flavor disappears... okay, that's easy enough to try. But it would be weird if that fruit note was in the suspended solids, don't you think?
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Posted Wed May 1, 2013, 8:16pm
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jpender Said:

I've played with grind, temperature, and time and I can't get these same flavors in the Aeropress. Why not?

Posted April 30, 2013 link

Have you tried hard to over-extract?

Think of it this way: until you've successfully over-extracted a cup (with any method) and then backed off a variable or two until you're back into good extraction territory -- well, you've never fully understood the method's possibilities and limits. Seriously. It's like running the Iron Man -- you never know what you're capable of until you've pushed yourself into failure. Take it from me -- because I've never run the Iron Man, so I have no idea how soon I'd fail.   ;-)
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Posted Thu May 2, 2013, 9:11am
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rasqual Said:

Have you tried hard to over-extract?

Think of it this way: until you've successfully over-extracted a cup (with any method) and then backed off a variable or two until you're back into good extraction territory -- well, you've never fully understood the method's possibilities and limits. Seriously. It's like running the Iron Man -- you never know what you're capable of until you've pushed yourself into failure. Take it from me -- because I've never run the Iron Man, so I have no idea how soon I'd fail.   ;-)

Posted May 1, 2013 link

I brewed almost exclusively with a moka pot for decades. So overextraction, yes, I believe I've been there.

With the Aeropress I know that at higher temperatures I get harsh flavors. Technically overextracted? I'm not sure. I don't have a refractometer and most of the measurements I've made in the past where I got high extraction numbers -- using oven dried grounds -- were flawed and unreliable.

I was thinking about this last night and remembered that I was actually using boiling water in the AP for a short time. I had measured the temperature of the slurry and found that it dropped into the standard brewing temperature range so quickly that my thermometer couldn't react fast enough to catch it above that range. So, I reasoned, the very short time that some part of the mixture spent at high temperature didn't matter. Seems reasonable, no?

Except that it didn't taste good.

So over time I've reduced the temperature, finding where it consistently works okay for me. Now this probably cannot be considered in isolation of my grinders. I may be getting another grinder soon, so I'll be able to see how important that factor is.


This morning I brewed with 210F water. It tasted so bad I threw it in the sink and brewed a second cup at what my $15 Taylor 9847N digital thermometer read as 93.5C but I know was really 0.6-0.9C lower (decent sensor, cheap electronics). The coffee was much, much better, albeit somewhat mild.
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