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msboo
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Posted Tue Mar 19, 2013, 8:12pm
Subject: Re: High-end coffee maker worth it if not grinding beans myself ?
 

LOL remembering Kramer w/food in the bathroom!

Like you, I needed to upgrade to a better brewer, settled on a Bonavita Thermal. I'd read CoffeeGeek info and knew I'd need to use fresh ground coffee. We have a local roaster (roasting daily) so I figured I'd get fresh ground coffee every 2-4 days until making a decision on a grinder---I wanted to feel confident about my grinder buy. Live and learn... I was able to keep fresh ground fairly fresh for 2 days, day 3 noticed decline in flavor (keeping in major brand zip closure freezer bags, air squeezed out, in kitchen cabinet). Day 4 wasn't worth brewing.

Got the grinder, use every morning, not very noisy, easy to clean---coffee's great!

Someone did post, suggesting you could grind some at night for use next morning---if you put grounds in an air tight container that might work ok and would be far better than buying bags of pre-ground coffee.

You mentioned drinking espresso on weekends, drip weekdays so be sure to get a grinder that will grind both consistently----see threads here for great info.

Good luck, good coffee
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 6:09am
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Well, I've had a Technivorm for a long time and you will notice a marked improvement in your coffee if you get one. Yes, if you're not grinding the beans at that exact moment you will 'lose' something but you can weigh that versus the hassle/noise of grinding; your mileage will of course vary but don't let this talk that it's not the perfect cup of coffee dissuade you from making your life more enjoyable.
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 6:48am
Subject: Re: High-end coffee maker worth it if not grinding beans myself ?
 

Would you cut up an apple into hundreds of small pieces and then let it sit on the counter over night so you can eat it in the morning? You would have a bowl of mush, brown disgusting mush. This is what you are doing with pre ground coffee. Coffee reacts to the air the same way but as it is brown to start with, you do not see it. The very high surface area of ground coffee will assure that you will have plant food the next morning to brew your "coffee" from (it's only use is to put on your plants as brewing coffee from it is .... nasty)

For ANY method of brewing coffee, you need a grinder and you need to grind right before brewing, there is no other way that will give you anything close to good coffee.

If grinding makes too much noise, simply close the door to the bedroom and I really doubt that you will have an issue with waking anyone up. We become used to the noises around us and even a loud grinder, across the house and through a closed door, is pretty darn quiet. If it still is not quiet enough, a hand powered grinder is the best way to go even if it does put you to work early in the morning.

 
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msboo
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 7:36am
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Our former brew was literally undrinkable. It was 'to drink, or not to drink' PERIOD.

Even getting fresh roasted beans ground at our local roaster did not stay fresh for brewing the very next morning--was ok and YES much better in Bonavita than using major brand pre-ground store coffee in Krups brewer. I was running to the roaster every 2 days and STILL drinking sub-standard coffee---good coffee quickly going stale brewed in a quality machine was just not going to work.

Once the grinder arrived our coffee cup quality improved 100+%. The grinder freed me up and it's quick, easy.

IF NOT FOR THE GRINDER we would be 'tea only drinkers'.
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 8:01am
Subject: Re: High-end coffee maker worth it if not grinding beans myself ?
 

calblacksmith Said:

Would you cut up an apple into hundreds of small pieces and then let it sit on the counter over night so you can eat it in the morning?

Posted March 21, 2013 link

I told you it would be dismissed.

As an equally poor analogy to the one given, how about: Would you grind wheat to flour and place it in a sealed container overnight to use for baking bread in the morning?

It's probably the case that freshly ground wheat produces better bread than 12-hour old ground wheat. But, all else being equal, either is likely superior to flour ground weeks or months ago.

Whether coffee ground 12 hours ago is worth brewing and drinking is arguable and probably depends on the coffee type, the grind, preparation method, and the person drinking it. I've done it and found it to be much better than dogma led me to expect and certainly a lot better than pre-ground from the supermarket.

Of course it's better to grind it fresh if you can -- but what if you can't?
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msboo
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 8:49am
Subject: Re: High-end coffee maker worth it if not grinding beans myself ?
 

Wonder if the OP has decided to drink tea instead.

Hey OP, don't give up and don't be overwhelmed or worry about grinder noise. You may find your better-half already in the kitchen waiting with coffee mug in hand.

My hubby came back for a 2nd cup then a 3rd to go.
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msboo
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 9:33am
Subject: Re: High-end coffee maker worth it if not grinding beans myself ?
 

Jpender...  agree w/you.

I ran to my roaster every 2 days for good grounds, took my U-Kno-Lock freezer bags with me so could pack up in the car, stored in kitchen cab at home. I always purchased 5-6pm so next morn brew grounds were 13-14hrs old. Morn after that was still pretty good. Brewed in Bonavita, this 'fresh' ground coffee was a 360 turn around from what we had before.

When finally able to grind at home prior to brewing, another 360!

If OP has to grind night before, will be a big improvement.
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 9:35am
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jpender Said:

...Whether coffee ground 12 hours ago is worth brewing and drinking is arguable and probably depends on....

Posted March 21, 2013 link

It ONLY depends on the person who is going to drink it.  Wayne would not find it worth drinking.  Others may, but it is merely a matter of what is acceptable to the person/people who is/are presented with the choice of drink it or don't drink it.  Those other things are factors that may make it more (or less) acceptable to those who would actually consider drinking coffee from pre-ground beans (myself included).  If I had to choose between swill/nil and beans I absolutely had to pre-grind the night before, I'd certainly choose the latter, but it would take an awful lot to prevent me from grinding fresh.  To grind ahead of time, one would actually have to think about it (pre-meditated) and dismiss all possibilities of having freshly ground beans.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 9:46am
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Dear OP

"Without grinding my own beans, would I be totally wasting my money by buying a better drip coffeemaker, e.g., BonaVita or Technivorm,  and purchasing quality coffee from a local vendor, but in ground form ?"

Buy the technivorm. Purchase small amounts of freshly ground from a local vendor. Enjoy much better coffee than currently immediately. If you want and when you're ready, tip-toe into grinder land if you desire when you desire but don't feel pressured that you have to do things in a certain way or it can't possibly be good.

It's coffee, not religion.
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msboo
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 10:51am
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I 2nd that
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