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Crotonmark902
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 5:13pm
Subject: Coffee Proportions
 

I don't understand "3rd Wave" coffee making proportions
Putting aside that noone understands the metric system - the proportions seem wrong

The standard measure I have used for many many years is 2 tablespoons of ground coffee to 6 ounces of water

the recipes that I see online from Stumptown, etc. have much less coffee per ounce of liquid.

Can anyone explain to me why the change?

Thanks
Mark
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 6:25pm
Subject: Re: Coffee Proportions
 

It's just a starting point.  Adjust to your taste from there.  It also depends on your grind, method of preparation, etc.

As for third wave, I don't make the distinction.  Simply, how does the cup taste to me.
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 10:35pm
Subject: Re: Coffee Proportions
 

The Speciality Coffee Association of America guidelines are pretty much the accepted standard or at least the starting point for coffee brewing and this hasn't changed with the so called "3rd Wave" movement. If anything there has been a tendency to use more coffee than the SCAA advocate and brew for shorter times.

Your starting proportions seem about right to me. Starbucks have for many years recommended the ratio you use. Stumptown recommend 42g (1.48oz) or 6 rounded tablespoons of coffee for 20oz in a Chemex which doesn't seem wildly different to your formula (6.67 tablespoons) especially if you consider rounded tablespoons are more generous than level tablespoons.

Personally for Chemex I stick to SCAA proportions which works out at 33 grams (1.16oz) or 5 level tablespoons for 20oz water. At least for the Chemex Stumptown are advocating much more coffee than the SCAA standard.

If anything your query highlights the importance of using weight rather than tablespoon measurements to compare brewing recipes since the actual amount of coffee a tablespoon holds varies with different coffees/roasts and whether you use level, rounded or heaped tablespoons.
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Posted Fri Mar 22, 2013, 3:18am
Subject: Re: Coffee Proportions
 

al_bongo Said:

The Speciality Coffee Association of America guidelines are pretty much the accepted standard or at least the starting point for coffee brewing and this hasn't changed with the so called "3rd Wave" movement. If anything there has been a tendency to use more coffee than the SCAA advocate and brew for shorter times.

Your starting proportions seem about right to me. Starbucks have for many years recommended the ratio you use. Stumptown recommend 42g (1.48oz) or 6 rounded tablespoons of coffee for 20oz in a Chemex which doesn't seem wildly different to your formula (6.67 tablespoons) especially if you consider rounded tablespoons are more generous than level tablespoons.

Personally for Chemex I stick to SCAA proportions which works out at 33 grams (1.16oz) or 5 level tablespoons for 20oz water. At least for the Chemex Stumptown are advocating much more coffee than the SCAA standard.

If anything your query highlights the importance of using weight rather than tablespoon measurements to compare brewing recipes since the actual amount of coffee a tablespoon holds varies with different coffees/roasts and whether you use level, rounded or heaped tablespoons.

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Thanks !!
I was responding to a video posted showing much less coffee used.  My experience with "hipster" coffee places is that their coffee is too weak
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Posted Fri Mar 22, 2013, 3:35am
Subject: Re: Coffee Proportions
 

Crotonmark902 Said:

My experience with "hipster" coffee places is that their coffee is too weak

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Do you drink dark roasted coffee? If so, you may be mistaking 'weak' flavors for lighter roasted coffee.  Third wave coffee is much lighter roasted. This showcases the flavor of the bean/region and not impart roasted/burned flavors that are more predominant in dark roasting (like starbucks). Most who are new to evaluating coffee mix up roast level with strength.
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Posted Fri Mar 22, 2013, 3:38am
Subject: Re: Coffee Proportions
 

diggi Said:

Do you drink dark roasted coffee? If so, you may be mistaking 'weak' flavors for lighter roasted coffee.  Third wave coffee is much lighter roasted. This showcases the flavor of the bean/region and not impart roasted/burned flavors that are more predominant in dark roasting (like starbucks). Most who are new to evaluating coffee mix up roast level with strength.

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I used to drink Peet's exclusively but the last few years have gone to a lighter roast.
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Posted Fri Mar 22, 2013, 5:02am
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I think adopting metric is incredibly pretentious for people who live in America
But I digress.
I understand the point about weight
I brew via chemex after many years of brewing via melitta
Still not sure which is better.
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Posted Fri Mar 22, 2013, 11:16am
Subject: Re: Coffee Proportions
 

Ok - so if I come off my high horse about the metric system
AND
I buy a scale

What weight of water and what weight of coffee do I need per 6 oz cup ?

thanks again

Mark


Netphilosopher Said:

LOL!  I've been called worse...

Just in case you didn't know, a US fluid oz of water is NOT 1 oz (by weight) of water, nor is 1 imperial fluid oz of water equal to 1 us fluid oz....

but a cc or ml is the same the world around.  So is a gram...  pretentious or not.


Just pointing out that many other suggestions use much MORE coffee per oz of liquid.

Using weight allows a consistency in units.  This allows you to use a ratio (which if you use the same units, is unitless).

In the end, go with what tastes good.  Most of the 3rd wave are updosing (using stronger recipes) for a variety of reasons.

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