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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 12:32pm
Subject: Re: High-end coffee maker worth it if not grinding beans myself ?
 

jpender Said:

I told you it would be dismissed.

Posted March 21, 2013 link

The chemical process is the same, oxidation of small food particles. The smaller the particle, the larger the percentage of spoilage you will get. Ground coffee is very small and has a huge surface area. The spoilage is equally wide spread, covering all sides of each ground.
This is just a fact, sorry if you don't like it. I suppose some can taste the difference and others are not so sensitive to it. Either way, a grinder is mandatory for good coffee.

YMMV!

 
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 2:01pm
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calblacksmith Said:

The chemical process is the same, oxidation of small food particles. The smaller the particle, the larger the percentage of spoilage you will get. Ground coffee is very small and has a huge surface area. The spoilage is equally wide spread, covering all sides of each ground.

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I don't doubt that ground coffee spoils faster than whole bean. But I question your "apples to coffee" analogy. Spoilage rates vary -- or do you only eat bread made from freshly ground flour? Unlike coffee beans, apples are protected by their skin. I'll bet most people would not eat an apple that was finely chopped and left in the open overnight. But I think that many would agree that medium ground coffee sealed in a bag overnight would be very drinkable. The shelf-life for an opened bag of ground coffee -- how long before 50% of people didn't like it -- is on the order of 2-3 weeks. Contrast that with a diced apple.

The usual expectation is that whole bean coffee is at its best for up to about two weeks. A drip grind exposes approximately 15-20 times the surface area as whole bean coffee. So if it's strictly a surface area phenomenon then overnight wouldn't necessarily be too long. But the standard dogma is that 15 minutes is the limit.
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 3:06pm
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(Waiting for Wayne to drop the bomb about his background education as a pastry chef...or something like that)

 
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 3:34pm
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jpender Said:

-- or do you only eat bread made from freshly ground flour?

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emradguy Said:

(Waiting for Wayne to drop the bomb about his background education as a pastry chef...or something like that)

Posted March 21, 2013 link

FFIW, I know for a fact that Great Harvest Bread Company grinds their wheat flour fresh daily for whatever breads they are baking that day. Take care!

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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 3:52pm
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Hello again!

Still weighing my options. If I have to "put up" with noise from the grinder at 4:30AM, it would be nice if I could still be half asleep while the whole process is happening.

Enter, the Breville YouBrew!

Yay? Nay? Blasphemy?
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 7:09pm
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Hey lefebvre.....  so glad you're still here. Hang around, someone w/comment on the Breville BrewYou---I'm not familiar with that brewer myself. Does it happen to be a brewer-grinder combo?
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 7:57pm
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jpender Said:

One alternative that  most will probably dismiss is to grind the first dose the night before and keep it in a sealed bag until morning.

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Dismissed. :>DS
I must do that for my wife who gets up at 5:30 AM.
Even with a BraZen, an incredible machine, the coffee suffers much.

A Vario, or preciso are much quieter than those $20 push down whirly blade grinders.

 
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Posted Thu Mar 21, 2013, 8:01pm
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My neighbor has a Breville Youbrew, makes great coffee and pretty nifty. If you need a combo I don't think you can do much better than that for your needs.
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Posted Fri Mar 22, 2013, 2:34am
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looks like that might do the trick; love to hear how you like it.

Man, that looks like a big machine!
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Posted Fri Mar 22, 2013, 7:04am
Subject: Re: High-end coffee maker worth it if not grinding beans myself ?
 

Youbrew grinder though is fairly loud, about the same as any other $100 grinder or so.

If grinding noise is really a deal killer (there's really no quiet motorized grinder even if you spend $$$$). For the money, you may want to get say the Bonavita (about $130-150 or so) and makes a great cup, and a hand grinder like the Hario Skerton. No noise, easy grinding.
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