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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 2:04pm
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infinus:

Your other easy option is to simply brew smaller batches. There's got to be some point (36 ounces, 30 ounces, 24 ounces....) where even your freshest coffee is not blooming high enough to hit the spray head.

The Brazen makes it so easy to brew, especially with a weighing grinder, that I'm rethinking my whole approach. I've always just brewed a pot of coffee. But, now, I'm realizing that I have other options. For example, I may settle on brewing two 12 ounce mugs. Or, even one 12 ounce mug if the HARIO carafe works with the auto brew cycle.

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It's funny, because my initial hesitation with the Brazen was wondering if I could live without the 12 cup capacity that I've always brewed. In reality, that's only been a "benefit" because brewing coffee was such a pain in the butt and because most home brewers do such a terrible job with smaller brew sizes.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 2:09pm
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Folks..

Don't forget you do have a Manual Feature.

It's in the manual Page 6: Brew using Manual Release..

Each time you open or close the valve a timer counts UP so you can gauge the release or time closed. Appx water flow is 10ml per second but will slow slightly as head pressure lessens.

Point is you are not confined to our pre-program..

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 2:13pm
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Excellent & I'm just blown away with the BraZen Joe!, & the quality of the coffee produced is incomparable to any brewer I've used!!

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 2:18pm
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Yep, the manual feature is what I was talking about in solution 2. I've been bouncing back and forth between manual and automatic.

As to smaller batches, it's a possibility, but I'm brewing for two!
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 3:08pm
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CraigA Said:

Excellent & I'm just blown away with the BraZen Joe!, & the quality of the coffee produced is incomparable to any brewer I've used!!

Posted October 4, 2012 link

IIRC, I believe that this was predicted in the first Brazen review I read on the internet...  ;-)

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 3:37pm
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frcn Said:

IIRC, I believe that this was predicted in the first Brazen review I read on the internet...  ;-)

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Right on Randy, & as soon as I found out about it on your web site., I was there! {;-)

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 4:04pm
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So I had the Brazen deliverd this morning. I also own a Technivorm KBT 741. Immediately I brewed my first pot using the same exact measurements(water, grind, pre-soak, blue mountain coffee) that I've been using for years with the Technivorm. First cup tasted very familiar. I'd say slightly better than the Technivorm(not by much though). I'll be selling the Technivorm on craigslist pretty soon. I do have a couple of issues though.

1st. I live in Colorado at an elevation of 5885'. When I calibrated the machine at 6000' it restricted me from going any hotter than 199 degrees F. I still don't understand what do we accomplish by calibrating the machine if we are still going to be restricted  on temp options.

2nd. The measurements I used were 20 grams(2 teaspoons) of coffee with 24ounces of water. After I was done drinking I took a look at the filter holder and noticed that the coffee grinds had almost made it to the top of the paper filter's walls. I think another teaspoon of coffee would have caused the grinds to overflow and make it into the pot.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 4:22pm
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F1 Said:

So I had the Brazen deliverd this morning. I also own a Technivorm KBT 741. Immediately I brewed my first pot using the same exact measurements(water, grind, pre-soak, blue mountain coffee) that I've been using for years with the Technivorm. First cup tasted very familiar. I'd say slightly better than the Technivorm(not by much though). I'll be selling the Technivorm on craigslist pretty soon. I do have a couple of issues though.

1st. I live in Colorado at an elevation of 5885'. When I calibrated the machine at 6000' it restricted me from going any hotter than 199 degrees F. I still don't understand what do we accomplish by calibrating the machine if we are still going to be restricted  on temp options.

2nd. The measurements I used were 20 grams(2 teaspoons) of coffee with 24ounces of water. After I was done drinking I took a look at the filter holder and noticed that the coffee grinds had almost made it to the top of the paper filter's walls. I think another teaspoon of coffee would have caused the grinds to overflow and make it into the pot.

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The laws of Physics are laws we can't defy, we can only give you an option never before given to get accurate temps at the highest points possible. None of which can any consumer competitor match

1) You are at 6000 with a boiling point of appx 200F (actually just a tad more).

That means every piece of auto brew equipment using boiler technology, which is almost every brewer made by man will suffer an almost 12 degree drop from their seal level performance because boiling point has dropped that amount. So if you are lucky and your technivorm is at the top end of their range being 205, their highest would be appx. 193 at your location. Lowest is 183 (based on their specs of being 195-205)- with both outside the SCAA gold standard range of 195-205.

Whereas with the Brazen we can get you to the edge of boiling (199), while being provided accurate data and within the range as determined by the SCAA to meet the gold standard and you can adjust things such as pre-soak, manual feature etc. And while 6 degrees may not seem to be much ask anyone here how adjusting just two degrees has changed their cup..

2) Your are at a higher elevation, thus less pressure things will expand a little more.

As explained in our feature sheet, we can't defy physics we are just going to allow users to reach temps never before possible in a std auto consumer brewer.

*** the only means by which temperatures can be brought above boiling point at a altitude of conseguence to include 1000 ft., is if it is done in a pressure cooker or under fully sealed pressure.

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 5:12pm
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F1 Said:

1st. I live in Colorado at an elevation of 5885'. When I calibrated the machine at 6000' it restricted me from going any hotter than 199 degrees F. I still don't understand what do we accomplish by calibrating the machine if we are still going to be restricted  on temp options.

2nd. The measurements I used were 20 grams(2 teaspoons) of coffee with 24ounces of water. After I was done drinking I took a look at the filter holder and noticed that the coffee grinds had almost made it to the top of the paper filter's walls. I think another teaspoon of coffee would have caused the grinds to overflow and make it into the pot.

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For the first, in addition to what Joe said, think of it this way.   Say the system did not have calibration and you set the temperature to 208 F.  It defies the laws of physics that you can reach this temperature (without a boiler).  Your water boils at around 200 F.  So that 208 F you set is really going to be read as '4 degrees less than boiling' or 200-4 or 196 F.  That is the point of calibration.  Accuracy.  So when it says 196 F, it really is 196 F and not 12 degrees (for your altitude) below that.

And your temperature is restricted for just that reason.  Because since you can't reach over the boiling point of water (the system would just hang up boiling the water trying) the range has been restricted to just under the boiling point of your elevation.

As for the second...sounds like your grind might be to fine, but that is just a guess.   Or, it's just fine, and the pre-wet simply brought your coffee up to that level, as it would if you used more.  I use 65 g day in day out, with a grind between a paper filter 'drip' and a french press (I use the metal filter) and have never had any overflow in my many months of daily use.

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 5:28pm
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tahoejoe Said:

The laws of Physics are laws we can't defy...

Posted October 4, 2012 link

..but we can smack them around a bit. Here is a secret photo from laboratories at an undisclosed location showing the prototype of the Behmor HyperBRAZENbaric chamber allowing anyone to brew at or  below sea level regardless of their location or current barometric pressure. pressure is PID controlled so you get a perfect brew, every time, even if a storm approaches or you are falling from an airplane from 50,000 feet.

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