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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 7:34am
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 7:43am
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JavaGator Said:

I got the shirt and the beans.  Good thing the shits were XL.

I was wondering if it was best to leave the lid off after brewing to allow the remaining moisture in the tank to evaporate or is it best to wipe it out.  
I have brewed 2 pots so far at 201 deg.  Is the brew strength typically in proportion to the brew temperature with the same amount of beans?
I am using tap water that is filtered with a Pur tap filter that adds minerals to the water.  Will those minerals degrade the brewer faster than demineralized water?

The brewer is awesome looking on the kitchen counter, sort of like a little rocketship.  I really want to take care of this brewer so it lasts a long time and keeps working at maximum efficiency.

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I place it (lid) sorta cockeyed (helluva term) so there is an opening for moisture to escape..

As to tap water, you'll likley need to descale more often for calcium.. we tried vinegar / water mix and others.. all worked fine but require several cycles to clear any/ all remnants of cleaner/ vinegar

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 8:06am
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tahoejoe Said:

With all due respect OGH the dispersion disc is a one of kind custom design we spent over 6 months developing to include things never done in any brew head or spray head. The intricacy and care taken for the water to be moved evenly using gravity only required hundreds and hundreds of hours of test and work.

Nothing about the Brazen was copied from any source.

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Gee! Sorry again! I know the brew heads are different. The Bloomfield 2 liter shower head is under pressure
and the Brazen is gravity. Bloomfield's spray head disc  started out as a flat plate with twelve, two-millimeter hoes in a symmetrical pattern, they switched to the 82727 design using 10 smaller holes in non-symmeterical pattern, and a cone bump. The result was better tasting coffee and a slightly longer throughput. The Brazen
shower head is not pressurized so it would, naturally require more area (32 holes) for the water to flow through. All I'm trying to say is the Brazen, like the old Bloomfield have achieved great results from a flat-bottom filter. But please try to remember we all stand on the shoulders of the one's who preceded us.  

What is the diameter of the holes in the Brazen shower head?

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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 10:00am
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Mine started acting erratically this morning on the .9L setting. First time on that setting only 1/2 of the water released, another time the brewer completed the cycle without releasing any water. Three other times it was perfectly normal, so I'm leaving it unplugged and will try it again tomorrow.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:03am
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tahoejoe Said:

As to tap water, you'll likley need to descale more often for calcium.. we tried vinegar / water mix and others.. all worked fine but require several cycles to clear any/ all remnants of cleaner/ vinegar

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I think that one of the best features of the BraZen is the simple, direct water path. The reservoir directly down to the spray head. This should allow easy, complete descaling and cleaning of the reservoir. The inability to get to all the nooks and crannies on normal household coffee makers means that they steadily decline in taste and performance and there is nothing you can really do about it.

I'm assuming that the water drops straight from the reservoir through a solenoid valve to the spray head. Pretty direct. Worst case, I guess you replace the valve and the spray head years down the road and you are good as new.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 11:59am
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Just got mine yesterday, so far so good, 1st pot excellent.  Question for experienced pros:  When I take the basket out after brewing, I get a big splash of water on the base.  Also, it doesn't seem like the water is fully exiting from the basket, there's kind of a wet slurry in there as opposed to just wet grinds.  Do you need to leave the carafe in longer after the brewing ends so all the water can get fully out of the basket?  Is the splash coming from water/condensation being retained on the brew head?
Iv'e only brewed a few pots, but get a water mess each time.  Also, I'm not crazy about the pouring ease from the carafe.  Overall though, it's great so far.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:03pm
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joc3721 Said:

Just got mine yesterday, so far so good, 1st pot excellent.  Question for experienced pros:  When I take the basket out after brewing, I get a big splash of water on the base.  Also, it doesn't seem like the water is fully exiting from the basket, there's kind of a wet slurry in there as opposed to just wet grinds.  Do you need to leave the carafe in longer after the brewing ends so all the water can get fully out of the basket?  Is the splash coming from water/condensation being retained on the brew head?
Iv'e only brewed a few pots, but get a water mess each time.  Also, I'm not crazy about the pouring ease from the carafe.  Overall though, it's great so far.

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Good call, it is in fact condensation... let the brew basket cool, condensation goes away and into the basket, which is what you are seeing especially if you've pulled the carafe. All of this occurs to some extent with drip brewers.

 
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:39pm
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Yeah, I get that if I pull the basket right after brewing. Like Joe said, it's less likely if you wait a little bit. I always wipe clean my brewers though so it's not a big deal to me. I just place a paper towel down on the base, pull the basket, and it getting a little wet helps to give everything a wipe down.

I'm still looking for a good way to conquer my bloom though. I don't want to have to wait after grinding beans and it gets my brew head fairly messy when it blooms up that high. I'm doubtfull my roasting habits will change much. At the moment I have 2 methods, neither is ideal, but they work.

1) Hand hold the basket for the pre-soak water. I get less bloom when hand held, I'm pretty sure it's because hand held the basket is getting agitation. After the water is in there, if I give the basket a few shakes after 30 seconds it helps to collapse the bloom and I can slide it in and let it finish out.

2) Manual water dispersion. I've been able to keep the bloom down by manually doing a 4-5 seconds initial water soak vs the 15 seconds it does on the auto cycle. I actually did 2 4 second releases 1 minute apart, 2 minute total soak, then just resumed the auto cycle and that worked well.

Joe, I wish you had made the duty cycle of water on/off programmable! Especially for the pre-soak! I think I'd be fine if I could bring the pre-soak water release down or program in 2 smaller releases vs the 1 bigger one!

Ah well, still can't complain too much, this brewer is such a huge step forward and I'm sure Joe's taking notes as to what people like and don't like.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 12:47pm
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As to the carafe, I do have to admit I find it a bit odd to have such a huge lip on it relative to the hole that liquid exits out from inside. The result is that up to a point, you are fine, but then once you've poured out about half of it, you have to literally tip the carafe beyond vertical to get out the rest.

In the carafe department I put it on par with what I got in my Technivorm (those pour a tad ackward sometimes too). I have an aftermarket caraf however that I like a lot better..... it just doesn't fit underneath the Brazen.
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Posted Thu Oct 4, 2012, 1:29pm
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infinus Said:

Yeah, I get that if I pull the basket right after brewing. Like Joe said, it's less likely if you wait a little bit. I always wipe clean my brewers though so it's not a big deal to me. I just place a paper towel down on the base, pull the basket, and it getting a little wet helps to give everything a wipe down.

I'm still looking for a good way to conquer my bloom though. I don't want to have to wait after grinding beans and it gets my brew head fairly messy when it blooms up that high. I'm doubtfull my roasting habits will change much. At the moment I have 2 methods, neither is ideal, but they work.

1) Hand hold the basket for the pre-soak water. I get less bloom when hand held, I'm pretty sure it's because hand held the basket is getting agitation. After the water is in there, if I give the basket a few shakes after 30 seconds it helps to collapse the bloom and I can slide it in and let it finish out.

2) Manual water dispersion. I've been able to keep the bloom down by manually doing a 4-5 seconds initial water soak vs the 15 seconds it does on the auto cycle. I actually did 2 4 second releases 1 minute apart, 2 minute total soak, then just resumed the auto cycle and that worked well.

Joe, I wish you had made the duty cycle of water on/off programmable! Especially for the pre-soak! I think I'd be fine if I could bring the pre-soak water release down or program in 2 smaller releases vs the 1 bigger one!

Ah well, still can't complain too much, this brewer is such a huge step forward and I'm sure Joe's taking notes as to what people like and don't like.

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Points taken.. but we have to get things past engineers and certified through ETL.. they fought parts of the manual release/ override , which don't forget you have as an option..

 
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