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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 9:25am
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oldgearhead Said:

I'm glad to know about the shower head. Can you post a picture of one?

Posted October 3, 2012 link

It's not a metal or screw off one like on a commercial BUNN & the like, & it's a 32 hole brew/spray head integrated into the bottom side of the water tank & replaceable/detachable.

P.S. I just did my first brew hr ago, a three 10oz non manual brew (30 oz) of 2 day old fresh Behmor home roasted Colombian Supremo & guessed-imated on the pre-soak (45 secs) & brew temp of 199F. EXCELLENT!! {;-D
Blow is a pic of the shower/brew head.

P.P.S. Just HAD to make a 2nd pot approx hr after the 1st, & I'm pretty much in Heaven now!

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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 9:27am
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oldgearhead Said:

Humm, Most commercial brewers are also adjustable and stable (+/- 1 degree C). I'm glad to know about the shower head. Can you post a picture of one?

Bloom - Even with 1.75 inches of space above the Melitta #4 plus 72 grams of ground beans, the bloom still touches the water inlet spout, but the head pops off for a quick rinse. How much space above the coffe in a
Brazen?

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Following SCAA gold cup standards we measured the volume of SCAE stds for 1.2L (77 grams) did x 1.50 (SCAA std) and added additonal onto that for good measure.

As to temps. Recently one distributor took a Brazen and another brewer (SCAA certified) to an elevation of 2000 ft. Each had been used at sealevel with the Brazen set at 200 to match that of the other unit output. In the mountains the other unit dropped as expected 3-4 degrees whereas the Brazen (recalibrated for altitude) stood tall at its set point of 200, consistently.

What we have not yet touted, but will be soon, is the weakness of ALL the other brewers at altitude when dealing with the drop point of boiling.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 9:57am
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oldgearhead Said:

Humm, Most commercial brewers are also adjustable and stable (+/- 1 degree C).

Posted October 3, 2012 link

Most? Based on what? Most sold today? Most of those in current use? And stable to 1C? Most commercial brewers are designed around speed. The few commercial brewers I have worked on were adjustable, but it required removal of parts to access the internal adjustment, and there was no display to tell what the adjusted temperature was, so a separate digital thermometer and thermocouple has to be used. And after all that there is no way to adjust to taste, roast, nor blend on the fly. A quick internet search revealed very few brewers that had an external adjustment and display to show real-time temperature.

At twice the price there is nothing to compare with the Brazen for home brewers. Are there ANY brewers that are able to be user-calibrated with a few push buttons for altitude as well as for electronic component drift? Any with user-adjustable/programmable pre-soak? The point is that the Brazen has created an entirely new class of brewer. The adjustable temperature alone should make that quite clear.

There are plenty of brewers available for the masses selling for $15 to $300 (from the Mr. Coffee at X-Mart to the Technivorm), and for the masses who buy their coffee in large red or blue jugs, ready to be scooped into a filter paper, they are fine.  For those of us looking for the sort off control that a fine espresso machine affords its user, the Brazen is a one-machine revolution in this regard. Being that it sells for $100 less than the old "gold standard" of drip brewers (the Technivorm) is just a part of the allure.

Now, to be fair, the Brazen is new. Will it last? No one knows. But the customer service and support that Joe and Behmor is known for are among a handful of companies that are always mentioned as top-notch. If your Dilongi (sic) has a problem, will the designer call you at home to help fix it?

I once took a three minute interview for a sales job that ended up being a boiler room tool sales job which I declined. The manager took me into the boiler room to listen to one sale pitch. The salesman was talking to a client, and he told him, "Yes. This socket set is comparable to Mac tools." Then he put his hand over the mouthpiece, turned to me and said, "You can compare them all day long... they just aren't as good. So, sure, these other brewers are comparable to the Brazen, and they all fall short.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:28am
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frcn Said:

There are plenty of brewers available for the masses selling for $15 to $300 (from the Mr. Coffee at X-Mart to the Technivorm), and for the masses who buy their coffee in large red or blue jugs, ready to be scooped into a filter paper, they are fine.  

Posted October 3, 2012 link

Ha. Considering that most of the brands seem to have forgotten how to make a carafe that doesn't dribble or include a water opening that's actually big enough to pour a carafe of water into, I would argue that they not only aren't fine, but aren't even as good as they were 20 years ago. :)
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:31am
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Hey Webb,

This carafe works perfectly!, & the opening on top is 2".

 
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 10:41am
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I think Web was trying to say two separate things:
- that most carafes dribble when you pour
- the water reservoir openings are too small to easily fill.

 
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:52am
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Yes, I got that Randy., I was just vouching for the Brazen carafe..

 
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 11:53am
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CraigA Said:

This carafe works perfectly!, & the opening on top is 2".

Posted October 3, 2012 link

Yeah. The Brazen carafe is fine. Not quite as nice as the Thermos Nissan carafes, but functional. No problem. I like how easy it is to rinse out the sealing/pouring mechanism.

And, I certainly have no complaints about the size of the opening of the water reservoir on top of the brewer. I can even hit that one before my first cup of coffee in the morning!

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I made my first half pot today: .6 liters/20 ounces. I guess this is the smallest recommended batch. Made two 10 ounce mugs of good coffee. As easy (dare I say fun?) as it is to make coffee with the VARIO-W and the BraZen, this may be my standard pot most of the time.

I may go a click finer on the grind with the smaller batch size.
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:42pm
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Its a proud moment to be one of the first people in Canada to own one of these Brewers. Looking forward to testing and publishing :)
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Posted Wed Oct 3, 2012, 12:54pm
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The_Coffee_Guy Said:

Its a proud moment to be one of the first people in Canada to own one of these Brewers. Looking forward to testing and publishing :)

Posted October 3, 2012 link

Absolutely Adam!

I wonder who got the first one in Canada? I'm looking forward to exploring this great brewer & sharing my testing, tasting., & thoughts too.
Cheers!

 
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